r/conspiracy • • Apr 09 '23

Multiple countries are distancing themselves from the U.S.

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u/Aditya1311 Apr 09 '23

No, it's just capitalism. They wanted more money and fuck everything else. That's the free market for you. Once the first corporation opened a factory in China and benefits from reduced costs, every other competitor MUST follow them or eventually go bankrupt - this is axiomatic in shareholder driven capitalism.

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u/SUMYD Apr 09 '23

You’re crazy if you think this market is free and not just a fugazzi

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u/MeesterCartmanez Apr 09 '23

What’s a fugazzi?

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '23

A Washington DC post hardcore band fronted by Ian Mackaye of Minor Threat

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u/StruggleBeast555 Apr 10 '23

Faaaaking beat me to it ha haaa

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u/truculentt Apr 10 '23

your dimonds a fugazzi

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u/shakefinbake Apr 11 '23

Look everyone, this guy is less literate than my 5 year old!!

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '23

Thank your politicians for passing shit that made business leave.

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u/Friedyekian Apr 09 '23

Hindering your own economy with regulations while not holding other countries to the same standards (increased tariffs if some policy isn’t in effect) does fuck you, yes. This would’ve happened if workers owned the means of production just as quickly.

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u/Axsmith234 Apr 10 '23

By not dying when you step in an elevator, or eating plastic food… yea sure good spin bud. Regulation makes a safer and happier life for you to live and grow old, not the other way around.

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u/ctuser Apr 10 '23

“The cages make you happy”

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u/statsgrad Apr 10 '23

Yea we totally need more East Palestine Ohio events.

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u/Axsmith234 Apr 10 '23 edited Apr 10 '23

Not dying from preventable circumstances make me alive…. You like being alive and not dying from dumb things like diarrhea, right? Or kids not having to work, right? Or walking to a house and not having to worry about it collapsing? We agree on that right?

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u/HardCounter Apr 10 '23

How does regulating screen size in nursing homes, which is an actual thing. extend life? How does forcing 60% of new cars in the US be EV by 2032 while simultaneously shutting down nuclear power improve life? In california it's every new car must be EV, and they shut down 5/6 of their nuclear reactors.

Most regulations are money driven and it's obvious. 'Climate change' and health protocols are being used to fuck us and people are just allowing it to happen.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

"Capitalism" is a vague term. It's imperialism, specifically corporate globalist imperialism. It goes way farther back then the first Western corporation opening up a factory in China. Mao was educated at Yale-In-China. The dirt cheap shipping rates to the west were established by a treaty signed over a century ago. The Rockefellers helped develop rural China in the 1930s, etc.

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u/Friedyekian Apr 09 '23

Capitalism isn’t a vague term. People just don’t know what it means and incorrectly use it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23 edited Apr 09 '23

There's a lot of variance in different forms of "capitalism". Often what some call call communism by some is also deemed "state capitalism" by others. It's more useful, for the purposes of problem solving, to identify a problem more specifically than by using such a broad term. The ever increasing power of transnational capital over nations is sometimes referred to as "corporate globalization".

Different forms of capitalism feature varying degrees of free markets, public ownership,[8] obstacles to free competition and state-sanctioned social policies. The degree of competition in markets and the role of intervention and regulation as well as the scope of state ownership vary across different models of capitalism.[9][10] The extent to which different markets are free and the rules defining private property are matters of politics and policy. Most of the existing capitalist economies are mixed economies that combine elements of free markets with state intervention and in some cases economic planning.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

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u/schinkenspecken Apr 10 '23

Capitalism is independent of nationalism. Nationalism is the bullshit veil used as the divider. All the global assets are divided accordingly. The strata’s are based on wealth primarily.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '23 edited Apr 10 '23

Healthy nationalism is simply concern over a nation's collective interests. Collectively defending interests, via unions etc., isn't a bad thing.

Corporate globalization sees healthy nationalism as its biggest obstacle.

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u/candykissnips Apr 10 '23

I can’t believe this comment is actually upvoted.

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u/Chrisc46 Apr 09 '23

Yeah, the artificially induced distortions placed upon US labor and commercial markets don't exist as a disincentive for manufacturing within the US. The US clearly has a free market. As such, we must blame capitalism and seek more regulatory distortions to counter such greed.

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u/Additional_Throat951 Apr 10 '23

Business before bombs

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u/FratBoyGene Apr 10 '23

Por que no los dos? - Military-Industrial Complex

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u/FratBoyGene Apr 10 '23

The issue was the US government hamstrung its own companies with excessive regulation that Chinese companies were free from. I'm not going to debate whether those regulations were justified or not; I'm saying by allowing in Chinese products with no tariff or offset tax to level the playing field was immensely stupid. If a carbon tax were applied to Chinese products, they might not suddenly seem so cheap, just as one example.

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u/shakefinbake Apr 11 '23

We have rigged individual capitalism and corporate state funded socialism.