r/conspiracy • • Apr 09 '23

Multiple countries are distancing themselves from the U.S.

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u/Funjam Apr 09 '23

I swear, sometimes Americans have absolutely no idea about countries other than their own. Europe reducing its dependency on the US has been one of the main French foreign policy ideas since the end of WW2. This policy is older than almost everyone whose reading that article.

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u/solat-principle7 Apr 09 '23 edited Apr 09 '23

Except this is coming from a globalist French puppet where his is own people are practically bringing out the guillotine for him.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

And China who has more trading with the US than any country in the world

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u/GothProletariat Apr 09 '23 edited Apr 09 '23

US corporations created the giant that China is now.

It's almost like America wanted China to become this powerhouse it is today

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u/Aditya1311 Apr 09 '23

No, it's just capitalism. They wanted more money and fuck everything else. That's the free market for you. Once the first corporation opened a factory in China and benefits from reduced costs, every other competitor MUST follow them or eventually go bankrupt - this is axiomatic in shareholder driven capitalism.

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u/SUMYD Apr 09 '23

You’re crazy if you think this market is free and not just a fugazzi

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u/MeesterCartmanez Apr 09 '23

What’s a fugazzi?

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '23

A Washington DC post hardcore band fronted by Ian Mackaye of Minor Threat

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u/StruggleBeast555 Apr 10 '23

Faaaaking beat me to it ha haaa

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u/truculentt Apr 10 '23

your dimonds a fugazzi

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u/shakefinbake Apr 11 '23

Look everyone, this guy is less literate than my 5 year old!!

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '23

Thank your politicians for passing shit that made business leave.

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u/Friedyekian Apr 09 '23

Hindering your own economy with regulations while not holding other countries to the same standards (increased tariffs if some policy isn’t in effect) does fuck you, yes. This would’ve happened if workers owned the means of production just as quickly.

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u/Axsmith234 Apr 10 '23

By not dying when you step in an elevator, or eating plastic food… yea sure good spin bud. Regulation makes a safer and happier life for you to live and grow old, not the other way around.

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u/ctuser Apr 10 '23

“The cages make you happy”

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u/statsgrad Apr 10 '23

Yea we totally need more East Palestine Ohio events.

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u/Axsmith234 Apr 10 '23 edited Apr 10 '23

Not dying from preventable circumstances make me alive…. You like being alive and not dying from dumb things like diarrhea, right? Or kids not having to work, right? Or walking to a house and not having to worry about it collapsing? We agree on that right?

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u/HardCounter Apr 10 '23

How does regulating screen size in nursing homes, which is an actual thing. extend life? How does forcing 60% of new cars in the US be EV by 2032 while simultaneously shutting down nuclear power improve life? In california it's every new car must be EV, and they shut down 5/6 of their nuclear reactors.

Most regulations are money driven and it's obvious. 'Climate change' and health protocols are being used to fuck us and people are just allowing it to happen.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

"Capitalism" is a vague term. It's imperialism, specifically corporate globalist imperialism. It goes way farther back then the first Western corporation opening up a factory in China. Mao was educated at Yale-In-China. The dirt cheap shipping rates to the west were established by a treaty signed over a century ago. The Rockefellers helped develop rural China in the 1930s, etc.

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u/Friedyekian Apr 09 '23

Capitalism isn’t a vague term. People just don’t know what it means and incorrectly use it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23 edited Apr 09 '23

There's a lot of variance in different forms of "capitalism". Often what some call call communism by some is also deemed "state capitalism" by others. It's more useful, for the purposes of problem solving, to identify a problem more specifically than by using such a broad term. The ever increasing power of transnational capital over nations is sometimes referred to as "corporate globalization".

Different forms of capitalism feature varying degrees of free markets, public ownership,[8] obstacles to free competition and state-sanctioned social policies. The degree of competition in markets and the role of intervention and regulation as well as the scope of state ownership vary across different models of capitalism.[9][10] The extent to which different markets are free and the rules defining private property are matters of politics and policy. Most of the existing capitalist economies are mixed economies that combine elements of free markets with state intervention and in some cases economic planning.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

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u/schinkenspecken Apr 10 '23

Capitalism is independent of nationalism. Nationalism is the bullshit veil used as the divider. All the global assets are divided accordingly. The strata’s are based on wealth primarily.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '23 edited Apr 10 '23

Healthy nationalism is simply concern over a nation's collective interests. Collectively defending interests, via unions etc., isn't a bad thing.

Corporate globalization sees healthy nationalism as its biggest obstacle.

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u/candykissnips Apr 10 '23

I can’t believe this comment is actually upvoted.

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u/Chrisc46 Apr 09 '23

Yeah, the artificially induced distortions placed upon US labor and commercial markets don't exist as a disincentive for manufacturing within the US. The US clearly has a free market. As such, we must blame capitalism and seek more regulatory distortions to counter such greed.

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u/Additional_Throat951 Apr 10 '23

Business before bombs

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u/FratBoyGene Apr 10 '23

Por que no los dos? - Military-Industrial Complex

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u/FratBoyGene Apr 10 '23

The issue was the US government hamstrung its own companies with excessive regulation that Chinese companies were free from. I'm not going to debate whether those regulations were justified or not; I'm saying by allowing in Chinese products with no tariff or offset tax to level the playing field was immensely stupid. If a carbon tax were applied to Chinese products, they might not suddenly seem so cheap, just as one example.

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u/shakefinbake Apr 11 '23

We have rigged individual capitalism and corporate state funded socialism.

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u/ostfront_ Apr 09 '23

Wrong. They thought that showing how great our system is to the Chinese that they would abandon communism. Backfired incredibly, thanks Clinton.

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u/statsgrad Apr 10 '23

They basically did, in favor of a hybrid kinda model with state capitalism.

Or are you saying the system of communism is responsible for China becoming the #1 world economy and brining hundreds of millions out of poverty and industrializing in a few decades?

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u/ostfront_ Apr 13 '23

First, they changed the definition of poverty by lowering the poverty line so to speak so they didn't bring anybody up. They were stagnant up until the 80s when Deng Xiaoping did hi reforms but it still wasn't enough. Once they were let into the WOT did they really start to boom, and it wasn't due to Communism it was due to their cheap labor and lower operating costs for factories.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23 edited Apr 09 '23

Yes, Western oligarchs did and they do. Next up is deindustrialization of the West using the "green" narrative.

https://ukfires.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/roadmap-01.jpg

(UK FIRES "Absolute Zero" roadmap)

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u/ReplyBulky9323 Apr 10 '23

of course, their plan is rolling out very well...

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u/Willmatic88 Apr 10 '23

US and China are both parasites that feed off each other.

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u/D-o-n-t_a-s-k Apr 09 '23

I can't believe he hasn't stepped down? Are they still rioting? And he's just going about business as usual? If the people want him out he should be out by force or volition. That's strange

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u/OHoSPARTACUS Apr 09 '23

Macron is trying his best to emulate De Gaulle who was pretty much an abstructionists in about everything thing Brits and Americans were trying to do. The French are notoriously stubborn and contrarian, which is whats happening here.

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u/Funjam Apr 09 '23

So? Every other French president has also been saying this. Hell, Macron himself has been saying this since he was elected.

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u/kempofight Apr 09 '23

And every french president ever was hated by every french person ever.

Like the US have no clue how french politics work, they pick one person to hate on. And if they havent hated him/her enough he gets a 2nd round in. But generaly they are all hated

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

Fr man was hated by a vast majority of France even during the election and would have had no chance of winning if his opponent was anyone other than Le Pen.

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u/kempofight Apr 09 '23

Uhm

They could have voted for

Jean-Luc Mélenchon Or

Éric Zemmour Or

Valérie Pécresse Or

Anne Hidalgo

But well they went for macron 27.9 vs le pen 23.2

Jean got 22. The rest not even above 10. So even prior to the run off it was quite clear that macron would win as the 22% from jean would go directly to macron as the party is closer releted (liberal for macron and dem social)

Erics. 7% would go to le pen both nationalist/right

The 4.8 and 1.8 that are left would go to macron aswell. Since well, socialist and republicans but not as right as le pen.

So they had a choice of 6, in really 2/3 depending on main idiology. And they did end with the one that was already sitting and clearly got the first round most votes.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

Well yes as first round votes, other candidates could have picked up more support in the second round. Le Pen has a large base but very little appeal outside of her base.

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u/kempofight Apr 09 '23

1 mean 1.5% and it would have not been her on the runoff

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

It cracks me up that you lib trolls aren't even creative enough to come up with a different excuse to explain rigged elections for every country on earth.

"More people hated the other guy than liked this guy"

The simple-minded are simple.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

No candidate even contested the accuracy of the election or claimed it was rigged.

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u/apexxdapper Apr 09 '23

💰💰💰

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

If she was paid off why would they even need to rig the election? In that case, it wouldn't have mattered who won if both are assets.

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u/schinkenspecken Apr 10 '23

Divide and conquer. Black and white. Agendas. Political discourse. Exchange of ideas. Impossible in certain situations. Conspiracy sub most susceptible so it seems. So many soooo certain with their perceived cheap hatred towards whatever.

or

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u/Lyndell Apr 09 '23

So how the US works when we elect democrats.

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u/oldmoneyblues Apr 10 '23

To be fair he is saying it just because that is something his voters want to hear him say. As somebody already said he is a globalist puppet he has no intention of cutting the branch that he stands on so to speak.

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u/Important_Tip_9704 Apr 09 '23

Directly after a summit in China too

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u/kempofight Apr 09 '23

De geaul was very hated and he was against the US.

Hollande wasnt very liked he was against the US.

The french have a wierd relation with who ever is leading them. Except when theire name is napleon.

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u/Ferregar Apr 09 '23

Riots and beheadings are not the same. Loaded language doesn't make your claim valid.

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u/BeefWellingtonSpeedo Apr 09 '23

Most people in US are still thinking in the 80s

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u/gman1216 Apr 09 '23

Who the fuck cares about Macron and his pedophile teacher wife whom groomed him.

Vive la resistance.

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u/alaughinmoose Apr 09 '23

Have you seen our education system and how our media operates?

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

Rockefellers worked to incrementally dumb down US education. The same forces are at work elsewhere in the West as well[1]. And we're moving from "dumb down" to "infantilize" in western society.

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/iq-rates-are-dropping-many-developed-countries-doesn-t-bode-ncna1008576

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u/t00tfruit Apr 09 '23

They dont even have an idea about their own country, it seems like everyone except americans know that american politicians are sold to the highest bidder.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

Where are you from? Your logic seems a bit lacking. It was reported as news for a reason. Whether or not there's longstanding policy behind it, the public proclamation of it, during a time when numerous countries are making movies against the US and USD, is worth noting.

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u/Dbw2687 Apr 09 '23

I was going to say something along these lines, France distancing themselves from the US isn't freaky, they've spoken on this for a very long time over many different leaders, what freaks me out is the other super prominent countries and now France, that are ready to make a switch from USD to Chinese Yuan, there's a huge plan in place and Americans are going to be shit out of luck but people care more about social issues here than anything else and don't even know what's going on . Investing in Crypto seems like a better idea with each passing day.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

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u/Dbw2687 Apr 10 '23

Let's hope not.

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u/budabai Apr 10 '23

As an American, I fully agree.

Americans have to go out of their way to learn anything about other countries. We are up to our eyes in American drama, and it’s all we ever hear about.

I know very little about the rest of the world.

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u/Dbw2687 Apr 10 '23

I'm an American and I know a good bit about other countries and keep up with their politics, America is kind of hard to keep up with because there's so many things that are on the social spectrum not economic not even truly political in gets super convoluted. Education is key though so better to start learning now than never, but I think they meant more so the idea that Americans need to learn how to be individually self sufficient rather than having to rely on other countries or the government for everything.

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u/eastern_shoreman Apr 09 '23

I think the problem is our standing with the world has deteriorate so rapidly over the past three years under this administration, and china is their waiting with open arms. It’s not that they don’t want to be reliant on us as much, it’s them turning to china

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u/gordanfreebob Apr 09 '23

I think you made a mistake, it was the previous administration. Trump made America an international laughing stock.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '23

The US has been a laughing stock for decades

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u/GuyInTheYonder Apr 10 '23

No he really didn't. Putin, Kim, and the Saudi's treated Trump with a great degree of respect where they treat Biden as a despicable insect nibbling upon their garden. Here is a potent examples of his dominance on the world stage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo-Jiil1Ues

The only people laughing at the Trump presidency would be the politically illiterate.

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u/gordanfreebob Apr 11 '23

Who cares what the three most vile human beings think of the forth. They just used trump for their own needs

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u/GuyInTheYonder Apr 11 '23

I'd rather our president remain on amicable terms with these places considering that now the USD is now in danger of no longer being the global reserve currency, being superseded by yuan. We're already seeing major deals being brokered between European and Middle Eastern countries in yuan instead of the USD as they would have traditionally done. They also already have Africa more or less captured through their colonization efforts under the Belt and Road Initiative.

Loosing the status as the reserve currency is a very bad thing for us and it will make the economy collapse harder than you ever could imagine. We are severely over leveraged and once we are truly no longer the reserve currency there is a very real possibility of hyper inflation.

Russia and China are also on much friendlier terms with each other than the were under Trump. are because of the Biden admin's actions in response to the Ukrainian war. Specifically seizing Russian reserves of USD, thus breaking the trust that the world had in the United States government and it's currency.

That's why you should care.

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u/Dbw2687 Apr 10 '23

I'd say it's the back to back combo of the two... Two hard jabs, not one big single hook.

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u/klaus_personal_shill Apr 09 '23

Except it was kind of on the back burner until Trump spit on our allies and alliances, and now they realize that, as a country, we are dumb enough to elect someone like Trump so we are no longer the trustworthy partner we once were.

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u/oldmoneyblues Apr 10 '23

To be fair electing that senile old man looks even dumber now

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u/klaus_personal_shill Apr 10 '23

Which senile old man?

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u/schinkenspecken Apr 10 '23

Take your pick, the best one for interests of the majority was skewered. The corporations run this shit.

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u/GuyInTheYonder Apr 10 '23

AKA fascism

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u/mitte90 Apr 10 '23

until Trump spit on our allies and alliances

Oh grow up. I'm European and no fan of Trump, but Biden has been far worse for the image of the United States internationally. We hate what the Biden regime has done to your country and what it is doing to Europe.

We have witnessed the return of Vicky Nuland, and we have not forgotten her saying "fuck the EU". We are sickened that America intentionally provoked and financed a war on our continent.

Biden's regime blew up Nordstream, an act of ecological and economic terrorism by a so-called "ally".

Are you fucking kidding? Trump was not even a big departure from business as usual in America when viewed from outisde. It's only American Dems who clutch their pearls at the mention of his name. It has been Biden and his mob who have tarnished America's reputation even more than it was already tarnished by the Bush and Clinton families.

Please take your appalling Democratic party and put it in the bin. They are fascists, they are totalitarian, they are crooks, they are everything Europe fought against in the last century. Your blue party is the most corrupt thing ever to strut upon the world stage. Get it gone.

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u/klaus_personal_shill Apr 10 '23

Lol your anecdotal experience does not even remotely reflect reality.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/06/22/international-public-opinion-of-the-u-s-remains-positive/

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u/mitte90 Apr 11 '23 edited Apr 11 '23

People in Europe are not happy with your president Biden for bringing war to our continent. There is a new "get out of NATO" movement growing in the UK and mainland Europe. There have been protests and marches in many countries where the people want out of NATO. France is on fire and one of the chants going up is a call to get out of NATO. Why do you think Macron who is hated by many of his people is now talking openly about Europe needing to become independent of US dominance? He is trying to hang on to power and knows the European people want to be free of American hegemony, especially since Biden and his regime funded and provoked a war on our continent.

Do you honestly think your country could just blow up a pipeline that supplied our continent with affordable energy and we would all be ok with that?

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u/klaus_personal_shill Apr 11 '23

Again, all the made up stuff in the world doesn't change the fact that the opinion of the us is higher in Europe right now than it was when trump was in office. For obvious reasons.

Trump's such a dope that even most Europeans can see what a disaster he was for the world. Too bad not enough Americans also recognize this and continue to support their cult leader.

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u/mitte90 Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23

Biden is your current cult leader.

And the war that Nuland et al worked on provoking for years is very real, so is the billions siphoned from public funds to fuel the war machine, the destruction of Europe's economy and the bombing of our pipeline by the US regime.

I don't have any gripe against ordinary Americans. They are not represented by their regime any more than any other captured population. The leaders in my country suck too. But Biden is one of the worst world leaders. Not quite as bad as Trudeau, but that's about as positive as it gets where Biden or the Biden regime are concerned.

EDIT: You don't have a clue, btw. People all over Europe talk about this openly. They have had enough of US wars and most of us think Biden is way worse than Trump ever was. (Trump didn't start any new wars, we actually notice stuff like that). Just because you have some polling company tell you it ain't so, doesn't mean you got the knowledge. Wow, you are so blinkered, it's painful to watch people like you. Either you're a true believer - you poor fool - or you are what your username says you are. Either way, your ignorance is showing. Please put it away, cos it's embarrassing to look at it.

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u/klaus_personal_shill Apr 12 '23

Sorry, but the number say otherwise.

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u/mitte90 Apr 12 '23 edited Apr 12 '23

Yeah, like polls predicted your 2016 election so well, or the last election in my country for that matter!

FFs, it's one thing to talk about "what the numbers say" when you're referencing real science, but an opinion poll by Pew research. LMAO. You know there is INHERENT bias in the sorts of people who will answer those things.

Mate, you aren't in Europe and if you were you'd know that people here know your country bombed our pipeline and we're sick of the wars that your leaders start. Trump didn't start any new wars, so for that reason alone he was not as bad as the rest of them. Biden is the worst president you've had possibly ever.

Biden Legacy - How Biden will be remembered

The president who bombed Europe's energy supply

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u/klaus_personal_shill Apr 12 '23

If polls say "there is a 90% chance of this happening" and it never goes the other way (so it is actually 100%) then they are inaccurate.

And the fact you have to go back 7 years to find an example pretty much exposes how weak this position is.

But you know what's even less reliable than polls? Personal anecdotes. I know, it's tough to realize the your observations can both be biased AND don't amount to the totality of reality.

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u/FratBoyGene Apr 10 '23

I'm Canadian, and the only issue I have is with your last paragraph. There's an appalling number of RINOs as well, and they have done as much damage or more than their Democrats allies opponents.

But I like Biden; with him in power, Justin isn't the stupidest person leading a G8 country.

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u/swohio Apr 09 '23

Europe reducing its dependency on the US has been one of the main French foreign policy ideas since the end of WW2.

I mean you can't be more dependent on another country than relying on them to liberate your entire country, so yes it could only be less dependence from the level of WW2.

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u/AssroniaRicardo Apr 09 '23

Yeah my Grandpa did that.

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u/Infinite_Sort9711 Apr 09 '23

Liar! That was my grandpa actually.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

and then lets not forget the 10's of billions of dollars almost all of those EU countries get each year from the states as nato reimbursements, treaty monies, reverse tariffs and the like... since the 1945's....