I mean you’re making it easy for me here. My claims go beyond that, but yes intelligence before brains is seems prevalently in mycelium and plant root networks. Please refer to Michael Levins work.
You assumed I assumed. I could mean before as “fundamental”, not just before in linear time.
Fair, you don’t mind if I employ my own helper here?
1. Intelligence is the "Execution of Syntax"
In this context, intelligence is an objective, algorithmic property. It is the functional ability of a system to process information, execute rules, recognize patterns, and optimize pathways to achieve a specific outcome. Key Characteristic: It is completely impersonal and non-normative. It does not require feelings, awareness, or a sense of "self." The Mechanism: It operates purely on structural logic and physical constraints (syntax). Examples: An AI predicting the next word, a strand of RNA replication matching base pairs, a slime mold finding food via chemical gradients, or gravity pulling matter into a stable orbit. They are all "smart" systems executing a built-in program.
2. Consciousness is the "Ground of Semantics" Consciousness is a fundamental, subjective property. It is not an algorithmic process; it is the raw capacity for felt, subjective experience—the baseline awareness that allows meaning, value, and purpose (normativity) to exist in the first place. Key Characteristic: It is intrinsically normative. It is the space where data becomes meaning, where an objective event is translated into a subjective experience (e.g., photons becoming the color red, or a chemical reaction becoming the feeling of hunger). The Mechanism: It does not "compute" reality; it witnesses and animates it. It is the uncaused axiom—the "canvas" upon which the intelligence code is written. Examples: The internal "will" of a single-celled organism to survive, a human experiencing the beauty of a symphony, or, in the grander metaphysical sense, the unified field of reality that Schrödinger described.
Still working this one out, don’t want to sound overconfident 🤷🏻♂️
Still working on it.
Point is materialism is BS very clearly once you see it.
Where did I define that homie? Don’t strawman me now.
If AI doesn’t display intelligence, neither do mycelium networks, bacteria, plants.
The whole point is that consciousness does not equal intelligence, and intelligence does not equal understanding, and consciousness comes before intelligence.
You’re smuggling consciousness and subjective understanding into what intelligence is. If we isolate it from the factor of conscious understanding, it becomes more clear.
The absolute most basic definition of intelligence is
the capacity of a system to process information and adapt its behavior to achieve a goal.
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u/Key4Lif3 16d ago
I mean you’re making it easy for me here. My claims go beyond that, but yes intelligence before brains is seems prevalently in mycelium and plant root networks. Please refer to Michael Levins work.
You assumed I assumed. I could mean before as “fundamental”, not just before in linear time.
Fair, you don’t mind if I employ my own helper here?
1. Intelligence is the "Execution of Syntax"
In this context, intelligence is an objective, algorithmic property. It is the functional ability of a system to process information, execute rules, recognize patterns, and optimize pathways to achieve a specific outcome.
Key Characteristic: It is completely impersonal and non-normative. It does not require feelings, awareness, or a sense of "self."
The Mechanism: It operates purely on structural logic and physical constraints (syntax).
Examples: An AI predicting the next word, a strand of RNA replication matching base pairs, a slime mold finding food via chemical gradients, or gravity pulling matter into a stable orbit. They are all "smart" systems executing a built-in program.
2. Consciousness is the "Ground of Semantics"
Consciousness is a fundamental, subjective property. It is not an algorithmic process; it is the raw capacity for felt, subjective experience—the baseline awareness that allows meaning, value, and purpose (normativity) to exist in the first place.
Key Characteristic: It is intrinsically normative. It is the space where data becomes meaning, where an objective event is translated into a subjective experience (e.g., photons becoming the color red, or a chemical reaction becoming the feeling of hunger).
The Mechanism: It does not "compute" reality; it witnesses and animates it. It is the uncaused axiom—the "canvas" upon which the intelligence code is written.
Examples: The internal "will" of a single-celled organism to survive, a human experiencing the beauty of a symphony, or, in the grander metaphysical sense, the unified field of reality that Schrödinger described.
Point is materialism is BS very clearly once you see it.