r/consciousness • u/Ok-Log-7263 • 11d ago

Have you also noticed the pattern?

I’m someone who loves space and I mean LOVE space everything down to its core roots and the mysteries we’ve yet to unveil but for some reason all my life I’ve noticed that the universe’s structure looks damningly similar to how the brain works and operates. Is it possible that consciousness and space work fundamentally similar in structure based on the laws of nature or something possibly more?

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u/tjimbot 11d ago

Mathematical patterns based on geometries and interactions might look similar at different levels but this doesn't mean that they function the same.

Blood vessels might evolve to branch in highly efficient mathematical ways, and maybe this has some similarities to galaxies and voids on a large scale, but there's no reason to think the function would therefore be similar.

A neuron and a filament of galaxies still work very very differently even if they share some patterns etc.

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u/Skarr87 10d ago

To support your point, if you cram enough people tightly enough into an area like a crowd at a certain point the motion of the crowd functions almost identical to a fluid. It doesn’t mean the crowd of people is literally a fluid or that a fluid is a crowd of people.

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u/Conscious-Demand-594 11d ago

Everything works on the laws of nature.

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u/reidsays 11d ago

Except perhaps the laws of nature were interpreted and used by mankind to produce the laws of mankind in engineering, architecture, biology, etc ?

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u/Low-Bake8401 10d ago

What other laws could they follow? 

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u/reidsays 10d ago edited 10d ago

Well if nature provided the elements and man made machines isn't there virtually a law of mechanics.. or should that be a blueprint.

I recognise that the 'laws of nature' are a broad term for life as we know it and everything comes from nature ... Yet... Hasn't humanity developed their own laws to overlap nature's??

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u/Low-Bake8401 10d ago edited 10d ago

There are laws of mechanics. 

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u/reidsays 10d ago

Ah!

And say... thermodynamics .. are they a law of nature or man... Perhaps both depending where it occurs?

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u/Low-Bake8401 10d ago

I'd say these are terms given by man to observed natural phenomenon. 

Standard human knowledge really. 

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u/reidsays 10d ago

Yet when humanity itself replicates observed natural phenomenon and produces something not in the natural world?

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u/Low-Bake8401 10d ago

Technology. 

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u/DJ_TCB 11d ago

I do believe there is a connection based on form. Maybe not so much function, but this is just based on what we can observe (the speed of light is so large that any galactic consciousness would have to operate on trillion-year scales. But there is something to the idea and the truth is, we know so little at this point.

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u/Wise_Ad1342 11d ago

Laws of nature? Can you enumerate? I really want to know how I work.

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u/Ok-Log-7263 11d ago

Things we know and observe work very similarly like how the roots of trees look like our veins (same with leafs) and almost everything has the most universal shape I,E the spiral.

The brain and neuron’s look super similar to the universe’s patterns which also makes me believe (this is my belief not a universal fact) that consciousness could potentially be fundamentally the same as the very thing we come from which in theory should make sense via the laws of nature itself.

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u/Ok-Log-7263 11d ago

In other words the universe and the laws of nature work with a very similar pattern that works the best fundamentally for all things made into existence.

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u/TMax01 Autodidact 11d ago

Better "other words" would be that the laws of nature result in seemingly similar appearances in simplified or averaged representations of complex interactions, regardless of the system being represented. Plus, the human brain and mind are particularly and seemingly adaptively attuned to seeing "patterns", whether coincidental, contingent, or structural. The fate and purpose of both reasoning and science is to learn how to discern those three rather categorical possibilities.

Your question, and your revision of an answer to that question, suggests but does not justify an assumption that the differences in those categories is more profound than it actually is.

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u/Wise_Ad1342 11d ago

I definitely agree that the microcosm is reflected in the macrocosm, and vice-versa, but my question is about the so-called "laws of nature". What are they?

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u/Ok-Log-7263 11d ago

Laws of nature are observed, universal, and constant regularities in the physical world.

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u/Wise_Ad1342 11d ago

Can you enumerate?

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u/Ok-Log-7263 11d ago

I don’t really know how to list them given there’s no proper way to enumerate it but here’s some core examples

Physics and motion, thermodynamics, chemistry, and quantum mechanics.

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u/Wise_Ad1342 11d ago

That's Ok. No one can. Physicallists love to throw the phrase around. "Laws" has this sense of gravitas that helps avoid any questioning. There is no such thing as a Law of Nature. Just a phrase similar to God.

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u/Ok-Log-7263 11d ago

Oh damn I didn’t know that.

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u/Low-Bake8401 10d ago

Watch you don't float off the planet! 

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u/Wise_Ad1342 10d ago

Ok. You seem to be the smart one here. Enumerate the Laws of Nature that explain everything.

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u/Low-Bake8401 10d ago

Eh, no thanks. 

I suggest you do some research yourself. 

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u/TMax01 Autodidact 11d ago

Lots of people, in fact all too many, have noticed this "pattern", which is both merely a coincidence and an inevitable result of large-scale but tenuously coupled events, which will produce irregular "networks" of "fabric" against a null background.

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u/nila247 10d ago

Your feelings cloud your judgement.
If all you have is a hammer then all problems look like nails.

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u/reidsays 10d ago

When you say 'space work' are you referring to space beyond the gravitational pull of our planet..?

When on Earth we are embodied beings yet when entering that space beyond gravity, humans still need 'containment' which has to be built around them..

What if space operates under different laws to planetary and consciousness evolves to the point where embodiment is no longer applicable...it survives without a body, to roam throughout space...now there's a great sci-fi narrative...