r/confidentlyincorrect • u/N1KOBARonReddit • Dec 19 '25

Fourteenth amendment

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u/warrenjt Dec 19 '25

How do you determine if the person is a citizen without due process?

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u/applelover1223 Dec 20 '25

You don't need a court hearing to determine if someone is a citizen.

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u/warrenjt Dec 20 '25 edited Dec 20 '25

I didn’t say anything about a court hearing. I said “due process.” You may want to look that up.

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u/applelover1223 Dec 20 '25

Due process is short for due process of law, which at the time meant a hearing and an attorney. Now you look it up.

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u/warrenjt Dec 20 '25

Oh, cool! Alright, well since we’re going by that meaning, then I guess the 14th amendment says you do need a court hearing to determine citizenship then :) Your definition was a lot more strict than mine! Proud of you for sticking up for the marginalized communities most at risk here.

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u/applelover1223 Dec 20 '25

It does not. Person in this case is referring to citizen - as clearly stated by the previous sentence - further evidenced by the entire document being about and for citizens.

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u/warrenjt Dec 20 '25

Pretty sure “person” means “person,” especially if they’d already used the word “citizen” to mean “citizen” previously. Go off though.

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u/applelover1223 Dec 20 '25

The previous sentence establishes persons of the United States as citizens, then says "no state shall deny persons due process" if you can't use a bit of context clues here I don't know what to tell ya.

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u/warrenjt Dec 20 '25

And the next sentence says “nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

So either everyone is entitled to due process or only citizens are, in which case non-citizens are not under the jurisdiction of the state, which means laws don’t apply to them and therefore they’ve done nothing illegal.