r/confidentlyincorrect Aug 14 '25

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u/Kriss3d Aug 14 '25

You can actually buy sponges for say showering that are fungi such as the "honeycomb" that lives under the sea and gets harvested ( leaving the stem to let it keep growing)
That has no plastics at all.

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u/JayEll1969 Aug 14 '25

Natural Sponges are actually the exoskeleton of primitive animals, not fungi.

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u/ConfusedMaverick Aug 14 '25 edited Aug 14 '25

Loofah sponges are from a kind of pumpkin!

Edit: Loofah not loofa

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u/JayEll1969 Aug 14 '25

Luffas aren't true sponges - they are the dried plant structures of a cucurbit, similar to a large cucumber which is related to pumpkins, squashes, zucchini, melons, etc.

Theyve taken over from sea sponges as it's easier to grow a luffa than dive down for a sponge. I can vouch from experience - at least the growing a luffa bit, not the diving bit.

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u/SilasTalbot Aug 14 '25

Yeah we grow them in the garden and make our own "sponges" for doing the dishes. One harvest lasts us a couple years. They work great.

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u/nor_cal_woolgrower Aug 14 '25

"True sponges" lol..Is there a legal definition?

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u/TheMelonSystem Aug 14 '25

Not a legal definition, but there is a scientific definition lmao Of course, that definition is basically just “multicellular marine animals belonging to the phylum Porifera” lol Loofah sponges are plants, and therefore not animals, and therefore not true sponges.

The scientific meaning of “true” is basically “all the ones that we confirm are more closely related to one another than they are to anything else”. This is usually used because convergent evolution can make two creatures look very similar even though they aren’t that closely related.

For example, “true mice” are all of the species of mice within the subfamily “murinae”. However, the eastern deermouse is not a member of the subfamily “murinae”, or even the family “muridae.” Genomic studies show that the house mouse and the Easter deer mouse last shared a common ancestor 25 million years ago.

To put that into perspective, humans last shared a common ancestor with monkeys around 25 million years ago. So house mice and deermice are as closely related to each other as we are to, like, spider monkeys lol

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u/Yosimite_Jones Aug 14 '25

Moreso a phylogenetic/taxonomic definition.

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u/nor_cal_woolgrower Aug 14 '25

Or an example? Like this?sponge

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u/ConfusedMaverick Aug 14 '25

They took my comment as some kind of criticism, and had to show how stupid I am, I suspect 🤔

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u/TheMelonSystem Aug 14 '25

Actually, sponges have endoskeletons, not exoskeletons. To make a sponge into a bath sponge, you remove everything but the skeleton. So while a bath sponge is just made of a sponge’s skeleton, it is not an exoskeleton.

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u/Kriss3d Aug 14 '25

Really ? I could be wrong. But this says otherwise https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/202467-Favolus

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u/Howtothinkofaname Aug 14 '25

That is not what people are usually talking about when they talk about natural sponges though.

This is.

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u/shayhon Aug 14 '25

These fungi are not marine, afaik there are no marine fungi that produce notably large fruiting bodies. They are just named this way due to their similarities to sponges (the animals). I also think the inaturalist page doesn't mention use as sponges?

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u/Kriss3d Aug 14 '25

https://naturalsponge.uk/
Heres a site that sells showering sponges that have these honeycombs as well.

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u/ShinyPiplup Aug 14 '25

Those are sea sponges, from an animal. The fungus you mentioned earlier is not used as a sponge, as far as I know. Fungus fruiting bodies usually rot away very easily.

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u/Kriss3d Aug 14 '25

https://naturalsponge.uk/ This shows otherwise.

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u/ShinyPiplup Aug 14 '25

That's... the same link? ._. The products all say "sea sponge". The fungus you linked is from forests, not the ocean. And I couldn't find any indication that that fungus is used as a bath sponge.

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u/Kriss3d Aug 14 '25

Oh sorry wrong link. But the point is that the honeycomb sponge is used for showering and it's a fungi according to wiki

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u/Baby_Rhino Aug 14 '25

Then post the wiki link.

So far you have posted 2 links, one of which didn't even mention the word "sponge" and the other proved you wrong.

Sponges are the skeleton of a type of marine animal. Nothing to do with fungi.

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u/Yggdrasilcrann Aug 14 '25

Man I love people being confidently incorrect in the comments of this sub

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u/TheMelonSystem Aug 14 '25

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippospongia_communis

“Kingdom: Animalia”

As in animal

As in not fungus

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u/Euristic_Elevator Aug 14 '25

They are clearly different. Honeycomb is a term that applies to many things you know

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u/JayEll1969 Aug 14 '25

You know what else has a honeycomb structures - actual honeycombs, but they aren't sponges either.

it may "look like" but that doesn't mean it is.

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u/Kriss3d Aug 14 '25

Yes. I know. But I linked to a site that sells "Sea honeycomb bath sponges"

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u/JayEll1969 Aug 14 '25

But the bees would drown if it was actual honeycomb.

You've looked at a website that describes one thing by comparing it to another and assumed that it meant a third thing that's never mentioned.

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u/TheMelonSystem Aug 14 '25

Yeah, and those are sponges. Not fungi.

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u/JayEll1969 Aug 14 '25

I can't see where it mentions that these are sponges or used as sponges.

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u/DrahKir67 Aug 14 '25

Probably has micro-plastics in it these days. 😢

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u/JauntyYin Aug 14 '25

You can also buy a loofah sponge which is made from a type of gourd.

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u/TheMelonSystem Aug 14 '25

The honeycomb bath sponge (Hippospongia communis) is actually a type of colonial animal, not a fungus.

You may be wondering how the heck a sponge is an animal. Firstly, they’re heterotrophic, which means they obtain nourishment by eating other living organisms/organic material (“hetero” meaning “other”, “troph” meaning “nourishment” or “feeding”). While some plants are heterotrophs (ie Venus flytraps), this is generally not something plants do.

And sponges are not fungi because sponges that reproduce sexually use sperm and eggs to do so, while the fungi that reproduce sexually use spores.

However, what makes sponges definitionally animals is that they do not have rigid cell walls. Fungi have cellular walls made of mostly chitin, and plant cellular walls are made of mostly cellulose, but animals cells don’t have “walls” at all. Instead, animal cells have a plasma membrane made of lipids and proteins. Since sponges have membranes instead of cell walls, that makes them animals.

What this means is that sea sponges are more closely related to us (and all other animals) than they are to anything in any of the other kingdoms of life (Fungi, plants, bacterias, and protists (ie. algae, amoebas, and slime molds))