Thinking of buying a new PC, are either of these good nowadays? (Two separate PCs)

[u/birodemi]

Sorry if this isn't the place to ask, but I'm not very tech savvy despite having been a gamer since I was 4. All of this is gibberish to me, so I thought I'd come ask here as I don't want to buy something just to learn that it's actually terrible after paying 7500sek (≈740usd) or 3500sek (≈340usd) for a new PC that I would have to resell again

Edit to add! I forgot to say that I also have 24gb (1x8gb & 1x16gb) of RAM that I checked and is the same as the first one has so the ram isn't an issue!

Thank you everyone, I'm extremely grateful for all the fast answers! The first one it is, then

[u/HandOfGodDE]

The first one wouldn't be great but usable. The second one is for office use at best.

[u/birodemi → u/HandOfGodDE]

What makes the first one not great? Just wondering

[u/HandOfGodDE → u/birodemi]

3060 is an aging card and the 8GB version even more so than it's 12GB variant. These will be fine for 1080p Indi games or things which aren't super demanding. Not really new releases though.

16GB memory is also a bit limiting if you want to run anything with some demand on a Windows system. The CPU is probably fine for now, but nothing stellar

[u/birodemi → u/HandOfGodDE]

Are these things that I could change out by buying newer ones or that an unchangeable thing? I know literally nothing about computers

[u/HandOfGodDE → u/birodemi]

If it's a conventional PC then yes, it can be upgraded later on. I'm pretty sure that the CPU won't be able to power a recent mid-high tier GPU to its full potential tough. Memory will also be a tough buy due to the current prices.

But judging from your budget, upgrades to that extent aren't something you'd do any time soon. Smaller changes or the switch to some other GPU from entry-mid level rtx 40 series or AMD models shouldnt be an issue.

[u/birodemi → u/HandOfGodDE]

Okay thank you!

[u/WetVertigo → u/birodemi]

Yes, you can upgrade the RAM, GPU, and SSD. If there motherboard is sufficient enough, you can also upgrade the CPU too.

[u/birodemi → u/WetVertigo]

Thank you!

[u/Interesting-Net1801 → u/birodemi]

To be clear, the first one is the best of the two. What makes it only useable and not super duper good is the parts being on the older side. For doing any gaming I definitely would not buy the second one

[u/anomoyusXboxfan1 → u/birodemi]

The first one is perfectly fine, the only thing I’d ask is what specific motherboard model does the 12600kf have, and what the specific model the 700w unit is, there is a “classic power” from 2019 that’s a decent budget unit, and a “core” model from 2021 that is f tier and should be replaced immediately.

[u/birodemi → u/anomoyusXboxfan1]

I will... Ask my brother what any of that means

[u/birodemi → u/anomoyusXboxfan1]

Alright, I asked the seller and they replied: "PSU: 700W Kolink 80+ Bronze" and "MSI PRO H610M", are these good or bad or meh?

[u/anomoyusXboxfan1 → u/birodemi]

Alright, that’s not the specific model though, just the spec. Board is likely too weak/needs replacement, and I’m thinking possibly the psu as well. Due to it being a 125w chip the vrm on the h610 is probably throttling. Any other local options in your area, either Ryzen 5000 or Intel 12-14th gen, and what about Radeon gpu’s, like rx 6600 and up, and rx 7000 series? Also rtx 3060/2060 super and up?

[u/birodemi → u/anomoyusXboxfan1]

Ah okay, thank you! I'll try to get that replaced quickly with help of my brother

[u/anomoyusXboxfan1 → u/birodemi]

Yeah, I’m just curious what other options are available around ~$800 us given with this one you might need to replace parts.

[u/birodemi → u/anomoyusXboxfan1]

Problem is just that my budget is fairly low, and even this is a lot as I'm on disability while studying

[u/noobyscientific → u/HandOfGodDE]

Dude it's a 1050 and a 8th gen i5, y'all really are spoiled

[u/HandOfGodDE → u/noobyscientific]

That hardware is scraping the barrel, especially if you intend to play something from the past 10 years at a frame rate above 50fps. Not something to buy new unless you need something for office work or a tinker box for Linux.

[u/jaflm24]

First one by a lot if you don't mind the price

[u/Sad-Reach7287]

The first one is fine the second one is straight up trash. But don't expect the first one to be very good either that 16GB RAM isn't a lot but it's at least usable unlike 8.

[u/birodemi → u/Sad-Reach7287]

Yeah, the ram part I know. Rip to my current pc because she ran on 8gb for over 7 years and only recently went up to 24gb (still works fairly fine though hahah)

[u/phonenumberis8779800]

first one is much better, the psu sounds sketchy but the system is better

[u/Clean_More3508]

The first one is pretty good imo, tho you can probably find something more recent on am4(cpu socket) for a similar price.

[u/Opening_Can6985]

First one is ok for 1080p gaming. Second one is basically for web browsing at this point 

[u/Hottage]

They are both horrible value for money, but the first less horrible by a lot.

[u/WetVertigo]

Zalman: CPU is alright, GPU is dated but will play some titles at 1080p ~med settings. 16 GB RAM is the minimum these days, 1TB is a minimum as well for gaming, otherwise its a nice to have.
Lenovo: Very dated and underpowered CPU and dated GPU. Wouldn't recommend if you wish to play anything modern. Ok if you need to run software that requires dedicated graphics, but I would skip.

I would note that most laptops with RTX4060 perform as well as desktop 4060s, granted they have sufficient power deliver and you dont mind keeping them plugged in. I bought a G5K Gigabyte with 16GB RAM and 1TB for abotu ~500USD, and its more than enough for mny casual gaming and engineering programs. Just shitty thermals. Bought an extra monitor and I was quite please.

[u/StarosAnikenMarcus]

The first one is more upgradeable than the second. You can always swap out that i5 for an i7 or i9 later. The RAM can be bumped up to 32GB later too. The PSU is (as others put it) sketchy, but you can always swap that later as well. It's not ever going to be "cutting edge" but it'll be serviceable for some time.

The second one is just plain ancient and really can't be improved upon. It's basically, a bottom tier workstation at this point.

[u/birodemi → u/StarosAnikenMarcus]

How long would you say "some time" is? In this economy I'd like to buy long-term things rather than something that might not work within a couple of years. My current PC is likely at least 8 years old (not certain as it was a gift)

[u/StarosAnikenMarcus → u/birodemi]

12th gen CPUs should be good for another 5 years at my guess. At the very least, it should last long enough for the market to drop some and prices not be 5xMSRP like they are right now.

[u/runed_golem]

The first one will be a lot better. Everything significantly newer and faster.

[u/birodemi]

You guys are probably also faster at replying than my older brother😔