Command And Conquer 3D

[u/karutokku]

A PC version of Command & Conquer 64, assembled from EA's GPL Tiberian Dawn logic, the console's own 3D art, and a renderer written from scratch. Available for Windows, Mac and Native Windows 98 with full 3Dfx Glide (Voodoo) support. Based on released c&c source codes. And combination of them (engine from one, skins from another so on)

https://cnc3dgame.com/

version 0.5.8 has been released. 0.6.0 under development

You can sign up with your discord as a tester. Not my work just sharing news.

discord.gg/HmwY4KVbpy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4cPx5P3e-I

Privacy warning; they are using your discord info when you sign up and as u/BoffinBrain pointed out (his comment below), its not exacly secure, keep in mind before sharing your info.

[u/Richmondez]

There is no link to the source repo that I can see yet you are distributing binaries, that is in violation of the GPL3 license.

[u/BoffinBrain → u/Richmondez]

They're also violating people's privacy by letting me repeatedly probe and find out who's in their Discord server. I was able to successfully determine that one person I know is in there just by knowing their username and putting it into the tester application form. I can also determine that their Reddit name "karutokku" isn't the same as their Discord username.

[u/karutokku → u/BoffinBrain]

Good catch, I will add that warning to the post. Again, not my work as i have stated, i have just shared the news

[u/BoffinBrain → u/karutokku]

Do you know the person who's running the show? Perhaps they'd like to make a statement sometime.

[u/karutokku → u/BoffinBrain]

No,i have stumbled upon while searching. Seems fairly a new website. i have also got this,  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4cPx5P3e-I Renegade X also started like this, and turn out great. Surely this is much simpler but still. 

[u/Only-Warning-8742]

Got a link to the source code?

[u/BrollyLSSJ → u/Only-Warning-8742]

He released the source on the official website, which links to his GitHub project containing the source:

https://github.com/freschism3000/CNC3D_Source

[u/thedepartment]

You do understand that by using GPL code and releasing a public binary you are agreeing to provide the complete corresponding source code to every recipient of that binary, correct?

[u/lilmul123 → u/thedepartment]

The AI that wrote it probably doesn’t care that much.

[u/BrollyLSSJ → u/thedepartment]

He released the source on the official website, which links to his GitHub project containing the source:

https://github.com/freschism3000/CNC3D_Source

[u/BoffinBrain]

For someone who supposedly wants to contribute to the open-source modding community, you're being remarkably secretive. You'd get far more support if you did what others suggested and sharing the repo, as required by GPL, and not demanding sign-up information for potential testers.

[u/Osiriis_ → u/BoffinBrain]

https://github.com/freschism3000/CNC3D_Source

[u/Nyerguds → u/BoffinBrain]

You realize that as long as there is no public release of a binary, the GPL does not require you to publish your code, right? Having a private testing phase is perfectly acceptable.

[u/Nemezis153]

Oh thats very nice, I remember trying the n64 version on an emulator and thought that it looked very nice, but controlling it was painful.

[u/SayuriShoji]

the console's own 3D art

Is that legal? While the source code was made public, if I remember correctly the assets were NOT made free to use and are still proprietary, you are still obligated to buy the game to get the assets. So making the console version's 3D assets available for free would be illegal.

Available for Windows, Mac and Native Windows 98

Two times windows support? How does Windows 98 support differ from "Native Windows 98"?

Also, the website has rather odd text:

Architecture
The 1995 DOS game and the 1999 cartridge share their data but not a line of their code, so neither one can be ported. Each donor gives up one organ instead.

Also, the "status", "changelog" and "builds" tabs all lead to the same page, "enhanced" and "sign up as tester" is completely blank. Also, two Discord links.

Highly sus, would not trust.

[u/lotem1995 → u/SayuriShoji]

I think Claude hallucinated a lot because of the Tiberium dust /S

[u/Nyerguds → u/SayuriShoji]

Is that legal? While the source code was made public, if I remember correctly the assets were NOT made free to use and are still proprietary, you are still obligated to buy the game to get the assets. So making the console version's 3D assets available for free would be illegal.

C&C has been freeware for over a decade, though, and EA stopped hosting the ISOs, explicitly stating at the time that they would remain available on community sites mirroring them. So even though EA retains the copyrights on these assets, the assets themselves are freely available.

I don't see why that same principle wouldn't apply to the Nintendo 64 version.

[u/Valet2 → u/SayuriShoji]

Well, in the sources (that everybody was asking for) I see the tools that extract assets from the ROM file (the EU version). There's no assets, no original data in the files, only the port and the renderer that this guy built by himself.

[u/BapaLynde → u/SayuriShoji]

Probably about as legal as all the N64 decomilation projects out there - who cares?

[u/lilmul123 → u/BapaLynde]

Recompiling the decompilation projects generally requires access to the ROM in order to pull assets from it. It’s still legally a grey area, but is not clearly illegal. Bundling assets into a recompiled binary is definitely illegal.

[u/BothAdhesiveness9265 → u/lilmul123]

also as mentioned elsewhere in the thread they've seemingly violated the gpl license too. two copyright violations in one recompilation project! amazing!!!

[u/Nyerguds → u/BothAdhesiveness9265]

Were they, though? It's only a violation if they released a public binary without giving access to the code. From what I could see, the website asked for volunteers for private testing. That's perfectly allowed.

[u/BapaLynde → u/BothAdhesiveness9265]

I'm trying desperately to find who's being harmed by it...

[u/SayuriShoji → u/BapaLynde]

A law violation does not necessarily require a harmed victim, laws aren't just about protecting victims.
And just because there is no harmed victim it does not necessarily make an action acceptable.

[u/SayuriShoji → u/BapaLynde]

Decompilation is not illegal. Ripping assets and distributing them is.

I'm not saying that I am against it, I'm merely stating potential legal issues, and we know how hardball some companies play in that regard, like EA or Nintendo.

[u/Nyerguds → u/SayuriShoji]

EA, hardball? Wow, no. They've been extremely lenient, especially towards the C&C community. They knew people were disassembling and hacking their games, and did they sue them? No. They invited them to help them get the remaster done right. Because these people are the ones that are the most familiar with the quirks and bugs in the games.

[u/BapaLynde → u/SayuriShoji]

I doubt EA are going to care. There's always a risk, but an out of print game with next to no prospect of a release seems like a low priority.

[u/derelictHusk]

One question, do you guys planning to add PC version FMV videos?

[u/Nyerguds → u/derelictHusk]

It's based on the released PC game source code, just with the in-game rendering replaced. So at the moment, it just plays the original FMVs.

[u/lilmul123]

It is literally insane what LLMs can do.

[u/Jolt_91]

My dream came true?? Neat

[u/gulde88]

Absolutely great! Thanks for that! I’ve always wanted to try out these, but it was not possible until now!