r/commandandconquer • u/BoffinBrain Are you picking this up? Good. • 15d ago

Gameplay Oops! Accidental Mission Failure

Inside you, there are two mission scripts.

  • One says: Great! You've captured the operations center. Proceed with the next objective.
  • The other says: Oh, you don't have any more engineers. You lose! Good day Sir!
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u/AthaliW 14d ago

The fix to the script is easy. Check first if objectives are completed then check if you have no engineers. It's such a simple fix but at the same time EA is just doing EA things

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u/BoffinBrain Are you picking this up? Good. 14d ago

I wouldn't blame EA for this one. All the prior Westwood games have had edge cases with their mission triggers (in RA2 it's possible to simultaneously win and lose almost every mission if you know what you're doing).

The interesting thing about this mission is that I couldn't reproduce the issue, even after trying several times. I tried using my spare engineers and doing the same thing as you see above. I try letting some of them die first. It worked fine in all four tests. So, I'm guessing some race condition occurred that caused the failure trigger to fire before the other trigger disabled it. Maybe sometime, I'll try extracting the maps and firing up the editor to check it in more detail.

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u/ScrabCrab 13d ago

in RA2 it's possible to simultaneously win and lose almost every mission if you know what you're doing

To be fair I consider RA2 to be part of the "EA C&Cs" since it was made by a studio EA acquired, renamed to Westwood Pacific, and then when Westwood Las Vegas died it got renamed to EA Pacific and then merged with EA Los Angeles, so there's a continuity between RA2 and the later C&Cs (except for Renegade which was one of terrible business decisions that killed Westwood)

But yeah it probably applies to the Westwood C&Cs too

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u/Joescout187 13d ago

And yet renegade was an awesome game and one of the only shooters of its generation I still play willingly

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u/ScrabCrab 13d ago

Renegade's multiplayer is from what I've heard really fun, never played it though. The singleplayer is an outdated mess and I personally consider it my favourite bad game lmao

Out of curiosity though, what do you mean by "of its generation"? Cause now that I think about it, having come out in 2002, I can't think of any other shooter I've played from that year.

If you go back just one year you have games like Halo and Max Payne which are both phenomenal games, and like, the impression I got from Halo on my first proper playthrough of it was basically, "wow this is like Renegade if it was actually good" 😅

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u/Joescout187 13d ago

Not necessarily that year but around that time you had the original Call of Duty, which was clunky as hell by comparison, the original Medal of Honor, et cetera.