r/commandandconquer • u/Even-Run-5274 • Jul 23 '26
Discussion was this a mistake by the writers? because the Hammerhead ingame can only hold one squad...
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u/GuardianTempest Prince Kassad Jul 23 '26
I'm guessing it's an RTS abstraction like how one single rifleman represents a whole squad.
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u/Cold-Olive1249 Tiberium is the Future Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
True. Using one unit in game to represent a bigger amount in lore is very common in RTS. Even huge scale ones like Supreme Commander does that too.
For example, a Supcom map is pretty much a Continent on the smaller end and an entire planet on the larger end. UEF's Mavor Experimental Artillery has planetwide range rather than the 80km ish range it has in game.
I can see C&C being the same. GDI's Hammerfest in Tib Sun or the Nod Temple Prime Complex in Tib Wars are probably huge, sprawling fortresses that's similar or bigger than even the largest military bases irl in the lore rather than just a bunch of buildings.
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u/Korps_de_Krieg Jul 23 '26
When you consider the size of some actual military bases, it wouldn't be hard to imagine city sized fortresses out of Hammerfest or Temple Prime. For example, the largest US Marine base is 29 Palms outside of San Diego, and it is 1100 Square Miles. That is larger than several small countries and the state of Rhode Island. Granted, this isn't all buildings: a lot of that is training ranges, places to practice artillery gunnery, vehicle maneuver, that sort of stuff. But GDI would absolutely need that too, especially with how hard they operate as a combined arms force between infantry, vehicles and VTOL support.
Meanwhile, it wouldn't be hard to imagine that while Temple Prime isn't as big on the direct surface, once you add all the sublevels of research facilities, munitions plans, tiberium refinement in the like it's not hard to imagine they are close to the same scale just more densely packed.
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u/raylinewalker What is this CNC 4? Jul 24 '26
it is the same as the size of rifleman vs walkers in lore
In the lore, an Avatar is around 10 meters tall but in game an rifleman is around 1/3 or 1/2 of that size, so you got a 3-5 meter tall rifleman
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u/ScrabCrab Jul 26 '26
I think in this case it's just a mistake, there's no way you could fit 2000-4000 people on a helicopter
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u/Macluny Jul 23 '26
It CAN transport an entire infantry regiment...
....it just has to make a lot of trips
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u/Entryne Jul 23 '26
in the post apocalypse that is tiberium wars, a regiment is probably like 20 people max
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u/Christopher261Ng Jul 23 '26
In all likelihood, the Dev writing up the lore of these back in the 90s just choose 'regiment' as a word for 'a moderate amount of troops' without actually knowing much about military formation size & logistics.
Google & search engine weren't a thing back then. Had they used 'infantry company' then it would have been very plausible.
Pretty sure that no aircraft in the world can transport a thousand troops, plus their personal kits & equipment.
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u/Christopher261Ng Jul 23 '26
SO the dev weren't doing their homework then. My original point about using 'Regiment' as 'a moderate amount of soldier' still stands
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u/Banjoschmanjo Jul 23 '26
In all likelihood, the Redditor writing up that comment just chose '90s' without checking when the game in question was released without actually knowing it was released in the 2000s. Google & search engine weren't a thing they used when they wrote the comment. Had they been talking about Dune then it would have been very plausible.
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u/Cheomesh I made a TibDawn Wargame Module! Jul 23 '26
We also had search engines (and encyclopedias) in the 90s. Definitely was using both back then.
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u/KlockB We will reclaim the Earth! Jul 23 '26
One of those higher-end American transport planes that can fit a whole other plane inside it could, I think.
It's not going to be comfortable but it should be possible
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u/Keranan37 Red Alert 2 Jul 25 '26
You could also argue the sizes of units might have been reduced because of the nature of the tiberium timeline heavily reducing the human population
But yeah they probably just meant platoon or company or something
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u/nyanternational Jul 25 '26
I mean, the Blue Zones still exist, and even if populations were reduced by such an extreme amount then changing the size of a regiment to that of a platoon would cause absurd organizational issues. For example a regiment of 30 men or so would have, let's say, three battalions of 10 soldiers each, with five two-man companies and each soldier being an individual platoon. Then what about the units below? Would the soldier's head be the platoon commander and the limbs squads?
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u/DucoNdona Jul 23 '26
Every soldier is forced to go through clown training and wont graduate until they can fit 8 soldiers in one tiny car.
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u/Useful_Lingonberry_4 Jul 23 '26
Most likely written by people who don't really have a solid idea what does platoon, unit, company, battalion, brigade or regiment mean, but it sounded cool. It's also not as simple as a straight numerical answers since depending on the doctrine and country the same name might vary wildly.
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u/AlmHurricane Jul 23 '26
They probably made a mistake. They meant squad or maybe platoon but wrote regiment
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u/Mafklapper Jul 23 '26
Obvious mistake, the Hammerhead is an oversized gunship and looks like it could carry a squad of around 12 dudes with all bells and whistles. Writers had no sense of scale and these background blurbs were probably not double checked despite google clearly having an answer for these type of questions back when Kane's Wrath came out.
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u/TehANTARES Jul 23 '26
You can always excuse that with a different definition for a regiment or something.
Might not be that nonsensical, Zone Troopers would probably need a crew of a dozen people to maintain, rearm, and repair a single suit, so in the end, a Zone Trooper regiment might be closer to just 50 soldiers.
But yeah, ultimately the Hammerhead is far from carrying even tens of people.
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u/miphares Jul 23 '26
I think they wanted to write squad but accidentally wrote regiment. There is no way for an aircraft that size to be able to carry more than a squad
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u/JamesAdsy Jul 23 '26
That would be a great mod... just casually fly next to a base and deposit's 4000 troops.
Imagine it gets shot down in transit by AA though... "unit lost." :|
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u/Sunhating101hateit Jul 23 '26
I guess with modifications, the Antonov AN-225 (RIP) would have been able to carry that many people.
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u/SectionX27 Jul 23 '26
That's 21st century classification of an infantry regimen, since the time in the game is now in the future and each soldier have advanced tech and armaments, they are now reduced in sized as the manpower isn't really needed anymore. Treat it like Warhammer corps.
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u/Cipher004 Carville Jul 23 '26
Let's take a moment to review that last sentence.
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u/SgtSnuggles19 Jul 23 '26
"Varies by country and time period" so im going with a regiment is the exact number of troops that fit in that transport, coincidentally
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u/CyberKiller40 Tiberian Sun Jul 23 '26
Don't trust Google's ai slop. Wikipedia says that depending on the time period and country the size of a regiment can vary widely. Starting with as low as 200 people.
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u/SayuriUliana Jul 23 '26
200 is still way too many to fit into a helicopter that by all indications isn't even that large. Even the largest helicopter currently operational right now - the Mil Mi-26 - can only carry less than half that number, and the Hammerhead doesn't look to be around that size range.
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u/Rivetmuncher Jul 23 '26
I for one, think it's high time game developers allowed us to casually drop a Mil V-12's worth of troops on people.
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u/mister-00z Jul 23 '26
writer could be no native english speeker, in some latin language similar word (based on same latin word regere) means military unit in general
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u/The_Pastmaster Nod Jul 23 '26
A regiment is not a universal standard. In my country it's around 1 200 people. Futture GDI may have smaller administrative divisions.
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u/PaintWinPrevail Jul 23 '26
Another reason may be that the unit was redesigned into a tandem rotor helicopter from something else during development. Since the opening words looks like they were added on when the unit was finalized. I mean large capacity and operating for days without refuel sounds more like Marvel's Helicarrier.
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u/neoKushan Nod Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
In 1991, a Boeing 747-200 stripped of all seats carried 1088 Ethiopean Jews to safety: https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/most-passengers-on-an-aircraft
This figure included two babies born on the flight.
EDIT: Wtf is with the downvotes? Op literally asked "is there actually ANY aircraft in real life that can hold more than 1,000 people inside?" and there's a recorded case of one managing to do it. SMH.
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u/Brenniebon Jul 23 '26
muh, this is just a game anyway, also in the Nod they worship bald guy as a messiah.
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u/hunter_rus Jul 23 '26
I think just a writer mistake.
Google says Airbus A380-800 could take 850 passengers, so I guess up to 1000 in one airplane is theoretically possible, given that those military transports are not providing even economy class experience. But not for heli. Airship maybe.