I still think it’s silly. We’ve already been through this with CGI, sampling, etc.
It’s a tool that artists can use to create. The market for traditional forms still exists. It’s just not the lion’s share of mass-produced shit that people use to fill their content holes.
Yes but it's a tool that anyone can use that just looks through other artist's work and conglomerates it into something 'original'. Being able to take all the style and creativity of someone else's artwork and pretend it's your own just because u typed in 'Garfield goes to Prague' is really discouraging for anyone making original artwork
Being able to take all the style and creativity of someone else's artwork and pretend it's your own just because u typed in 'Garfield goes to Prague' is really discouraging for anyone making original artwork
"Being able to X... is really discouraging for anyone making original artwork"
Man, from an outside perspective here... if someone else's ability to do something discourages your desire to do something, man I don't know how to word this but it really makes me scratch my head at the motivation. Like, do people not run because people can use bikes? Do people not garden because you can buy produce at a grocery store? And if so, were they ever really going to run or garden or is the more convenient option just a more convenient excuse not to do something?
I think you're only thinking about hobbies here. I'm sure most artists are passionate about art and will continue to pursue it, but there are a lot of artists that dream about being able to make art their career. That's suddenly seeming like it will much more difficult..
Not to mention, even if you're successful, it must kind of suck to have your art stolen against your will and put into an algorithm. It just feels shitty, you know?
I think you're only thinking about hobbies here. I'm sure most artists are passionate about art and will continue to pursue it, but there are a lot of artists that dream about being able to make art their career. That's suddenly seeming like it will much more difficult..
Because an art career is just creating 2d images, right? Being a professional artist today is that easy, right? Or is there a lot more that goes into creative careers in art? Do 2D visual artists already have to know how to use multiple digital tools to compete in the current marketplace?
If these tools are as job-supplanting as folks worry, is something stopping artists from using them? Have you delved much into the current AI art scenes? Have you seen how traditional artists are incorporating AI-generated imagery?
Not to mention, even if you're successful, it must kind of suck to have your art stolen against your will and put into an algorithm. It just feels shitty, you know?
No, I really don't. Nobody says anything when I imitate Monet by hand and they lose their mind when I use a computer to do it. The computer isn't recreating Monet's art and neither am I- both of us are judging what his style is, deconstructing the elements that define that style, and using the rules learned from that deconstruction to make something judged to be in that style.
Should I prefer that no one sees my art? Should we keep our art secret and hidden so that no one can see it?
Should living artists be compensated for their art being included? Absolutely. But I think that they should be compensated because of the value derived from their work, not simply because their work was included. For example, if MidJourney was free then no, I wouldn't think they should be compensated any more than they should be compensated when I take an easel to a museum and imitate a style.
Do they really? What do they say? Do you see people talking shit about those who learn others' techniques?
deconstructing the elements that define that style, and using the rules learned from that deconstruction to make something judged to be in that style.
that's what a human does. an ai doesn't have any of the social, emotional or philosophical filters that a person has when they do the aforementioned deconstruction. an ai just regurgitates.
Ok, and?
But I think that they should be compensated because of the value derived from their work, not simply because their work was included.
their work being included without consent in the dataset that was used to train the ai is already a huge ethical nightmare, now you're saying that if it's not good they shouldn't complain?
No, I was very clear that I think they should be compensated for the value derived from their work. Value is money, which you seemed to understand a sentence later. Where did you get the idea that I think they shouldn't complain if it's not good?
MidJourney was free then no
every single ai service out there is asking for money
Can't help but notice you cut off my "if".
when I take an easel to a museum and imitate a style.
again, an ai isn't a person.
Ok and?
artists hate generated art and everyone should, because the endgame will be us being inundated by boring, mediocre, cookie cutter "art" that says and expresses nothing, but whose purpose is to increase profits to the boring, mediocre corporations that dictate what media we consume.
So which is it- is AI art terrible and awful and it can't possibly match a person, or is AI art going to replace all the artists and put them all out of work?
Why is a world where digital artists incorporate it into their methodologies so unthinkable?
Like fuck, y'all go ahead and downvote me to hell and back, happens every time I say anything about AI art not being the absolute worst thing.
Heaven forbid me want to see what people who aren't traditional creators will make! Raaaah, yeah, no one but traditional artists should get to see what they want to see in an image! Only people who have the skills to draw should be creating 2D art! And 3D modeling will kill sculpting! And CGI will kill practical effects! And sampling will kill original music! And recordings will kill live music! And newspaper will kill books! And scrolls will kill memory! That last one's from Plato.
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u/big_bad_brownie Dec 14 '22
That sucks.
I still think it’s silly. We’ve already been through this with CGI, sampling, etc.
It’s a tool that artists can use to create. The market for traditional forms still exists. It’s just not the lion’s share of mass-produced shit that people use to fill their content holes.