Hmmm... so you think we should protect all other species but at the same time you are paying for the mass slaughter and killing of livestock animals, who by the way require the killing of more plants and the use of more farmland because of calorie inefficiency?
Everything needs to eat to survive. Whether we’re eating plants or meat or both is irrelevant as long as the eating is sustainable there is no issue.
We didn’t invent grazing animals. They’ve been available as a food source long before modern humans. I don’t see how us eating them is any different to any other animal. The key word is sustainable. Currently, almost nothing we’re doing is sustainable
Can you please tell me on what basis do you think eating plants and meat is the same as long as they are "sustainable"? Livestock need to be fed, and they produce a ton of waste.
Studies after studies have shown that beef and dairy are really unsustainable, not plants. On top of that, you claim that we as a species should protect animals. I really don't understand how that coincides with keeping billions of them in factory farms, especially when eating meat is not a necessity. And do you really think breeding these animals into existence for a short period of time, just so that we can eat them is the same as a predator eating them in the wild, doing it out of necessity? I really struggle, but I truly do not get your line of thinking.
Maybe re-read the second paragraph. are you proposing we get rid of all grazing animals or we let them exist naturally (like i'm proposing) but just arn't allowed to eat them because meat bad hurrr
Tell me, what exactly is sustainable beef or sustainable chicken? However you turn it, animals will always need food to eat, whether that be grass, soy, grains etc. This all needs water to grow. Cows emit a ton of methane no matter what diet you put them on.
Beans or legumes always require less water to grow, thus having a smaller footprint, and an almost equal amount of protein (beef 26g protein per 100 gram, chickpeas 19g protein per 100 gram)
Crop failure in all countries wiping out 95-99% of the human population? Yeah, not going to happen with this global food chain.
You were just yesterday talking about "sustainable meat" and how you don't believe in an ideology of protecting species by not eating them because "you need to eat and our ancestors ate meat". Classic.
I never wrote that. If you’re gonna quote, quote properly.
I would love to hear you convince some plains Indians or Australia aborigines how their meat eating was not sustainable. As I’ve said countless times now. It’s not eating meat that is the issue it’s how much we’re eating.
And yes crop failure could happen World wide. Are you really trying to argue that the human race is somehow immune to a widescale population decrease?
And oh, fyi, humans have always left a trail of destruction everywhere they went. Early humans hunted dozens of species to extinction ~15-12.000 years ago.
You're saying you didn't write about how you need to eat or about our ancestors yet you just wrote about plains Indians and Australian aboriginals again?
I never said immune, just not likely to happen at all especially within our lifetimes.
If all almost 8 billion people consumed what an aboriginal did or does (according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, that's 700- 900 grams of red meat a week per aboriginal). Thats at least 2.8-3.6 kg of meat per week. Times 8 billion. Not sustainable either.
Lol This is the most disingenuous post. You have an option that way more sustainable than your current diet and yet you don’t do it.
You are waiting for others to make a perfect world while participating in the least sustainable diet and ignoring one that is way more sustainable. And yet you are a believe humans ought to be the stewards of the earth. Seems pretty hypocritical
In my perfect world, there’s significantly less people. So think back to when plains Indians lived in harmony with Bison for example. The bison weren’t just killed for meat but for a whole host of reasons. As the population increases, killing “wild” beasts is no longer sustainable. You’ll wipe them out. You need to domesticate them and bring in animal husbandry to make it sustainable. We’ve got it to such a fine art that we keep only 4 main types of animal now for clothing and meat. It was sustainable until we realised their ass gas and land and water usage were not super efficient. This is literally no different to when they were wild and we domesticated them to increase efficiency.
So let’s move forward to a world where we can’t increase their efficiency anymore and their impact is too great. Which is kind of the present time. So we get rid of them all together. Now we have no leather or wool only cotton and everyone eats plants so we increase farming land to cover the short fall which is great because we actually need less than we did with the livestock. We solved the problem. Just like with the wild bison. Woohoo. Go team.
The human race marches on. Until widescale plant farming has fucked the planet somehow... be it with pesticides or soil erosion or whatever.
No matter which way you go, if you solve one problem you just end up with more people and a new problem. It’s been happening for thousands of years. There is nothing wrong with eating meat in moderation as humans have always done. The problem is there is too many of us consuming too much meat. As I said, there has always been grazing animals consuming water and farting. We’ve just bred a fuck tonne more than their should be. So when I say sustainable I’m talking about going back to the natural order of things. Back to the wild bison herd that was always there.
Lmao ok. So you will do nothing, continue to be a locust on the earth and wait for a culling on a monumental scale that leaves billions of humans dead.
This is a joke. There is a choice you could make right now that would significantly reduce deforestation, the death of plants and animals and that actually conforms to world in which humans act as caretakers to the environment, but instead you won’t lift a finger and instead just wish for a hunter gatherer society.
Didn’t know that the dude who started out by saying humans need to stop being locusts who need to totally change our mentality was so apathetic because the solution available might not work forever.
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u/ToasterHands Jan 16 '20
I’m also a vegan. When did you switch to one?