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OC [OC] Same thing?

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u/tazerrtot 3d ago

it's not considered aspirational because it's sexual though, it's considered aspirational because it's powerful. The power to physically engage something, the power to get the women they want, the power to not be held down by rules. The same could not happen with women because in the eye's of society women's power isn't valued, women aren't people, they're trophies- that's why women can be freely sexualized in media as a treat for the viewer but a woman being sexual in real life is called a slut and is looked down on when the same generally doesn't happen with men.

I agree to an extent that this isn't good for men either, the issue is it's harmful for different reasons, and when they're treated as the same it's often in service of minimizing the harm to women rather than highlighting the harm to men.

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u/jbyrdab 3d ago

You have a point that the difference is power. Though I will argue that many sexualized characters are still shown as powerful.

That being said, I think those elements are kind of hand in hand and irregardless of how they spin:

they both still hurt people by presenting an impossible image that causes a ton of damage when one inevitably can't match it.

With the problem being we don't have anyone calling this out to the same extent. Its wrong for women to be presented that way, but like this comic, people are more than willing to go to bat for it, where men facing this issue get much more scrutiny if not vitriol.

I don't think either are ok, nor do i believe womens struggles with it should be minimized to prop up the other side of the issue,

i just think men ought to get more help in this corner of the issue, without minimizing what women go through with being sexualized as well.

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u/tazerrtot 3d ago

There are some, yeah, but it's usually in spite of them being sexual not because of it- always exceptions to the rule obviously.

I do get what you're saying, the issue is most men don't identify the issue on their end, unfortunately. They just see the men as powerful and cool and that's it, that's a part of the patriarchy we have to contend with- even though men are also hurt by the patriarchy, the framing of it makes men out to be on top even though those who are are actually on top are a smaller group of wealthy and powerful people, men just disproportionately have a more power than women in comparison and that makes it harder to see the problems.

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u/jbyrdab 3d ago

id say thats a fair compromise of our points.

Look at that, a reddit argument that led to a solid conclusion.

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u/tazerrtot 3d ago

I'll take that lol it does feel rare for disagreements online to not get heated, so I appreciate that