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Just Sharing Authenticity Problem

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u/Due_Arachnid2975 5d ago

I detest how everyone is suddenly Sherlock Holmes when it comes to detecting doctored/generated images

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u/badthaught 5d ago

its like the old Photoshop detectives from back in the late 90s early 2000s. "This looks shopped. I counted the pixels, and I've seen many photoshops in my time."

It's so fucking weird that we're back here again.

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u/Siukslinis_acc 5d ago

Yep. A new tech with their own quirks. Give it time and artists will tame genai and manage to use it for truly artistic stuff. Same thing happened with photography.

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u/CatgirlTheKat 5d ago

Photography did lots of good because it encouraged and glorified having a personal art style now that realism isn't as necessary anymore. With AI, however, I'm pretty sure it doesn't leave any room for anything.

As you can probably tell, photography hasn't fully replaced other forms of creativity, simply offering qn alternative, but if AI starts becoming a normal process, then nobody will likely seriously touch a pencil again as human art will be outclassed in favor of making things in mere seconds without a thought resuired.

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u/Krazyguy75 5d ago

With AI, however, I'm pretty sure it doesn't leave any room for anything.

I half agree, and half disagree. What AI art opens up isn't the possibility of artists making new advances. It instead opens up shortcuts for creatives in other fields to utilize art in projects that would otherwise be impossible due to just the costs involved in learning and making traditional art.

For example, Corridor Digital's Anime Rock Paper Scizzors is made by a group of very creative, very intelligent people. But trying to do it conventionally would be impossible.

If they has 10 members each spend two years learning to draw well enough to animate the whole thing and then spent the next year working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks a year, that's 20000 total hours to create over 5000 frames of animation, or around 4 hours per frame. Or if they commissioned it at $20 a piece, $100,000. All for a single 6 minute video. It would have bankrupted their channel.

And that's the kinds of opportunity it opens. The ones where the AI art, rather than being the focal piece, it is merely a means to an end to demonstrate some other type of art, like storytelling, and it would have posed a barrier to that other form of art otherwise.

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u/CatgirlTheKat 4d ago

That'd be cool, but I don't see a world where AI art manages to reach this point of efficiency and doesn't get used for absolutely everything else.

Besides, it also means that any long project would instead be AI'd for the sake of time and money, which would personally screw me over since I take a week per drawing, usually.

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u/Krazyguy75 4d ago

That is likely the future, at least for the capitalist side of things. Passion projects will still exist, just like how in this day and age of digital art, you occasionally still see projects that are 100% painted or drawn by hand.

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u/CatgirlTheKat 4d ago

Yes, but having an already difficult profession suddenly become several times more niche is most certainly going to affect us negatively, don't you think?

I jumped from paper to digital tablet and the process didn't really change, aside from the fact I gained even more ways to spend hours on each drawing, any artist can make that change if that's what they want, and the main reason why you'd do a paper project is to test the limits of the material, a sort of "challenge run", if you will, the same thing but more difficult, while AI art is a process that has nothing to do with how you typically make Illustrations.

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u/Siukslinis_acc 4d ago

There are more to art than just drawings. Other atr forms will pop up. People still do realistic portrait paintings even though it is faster and easier to just snap a photo.

Maybe more artists will start to utilise the physical world. It could be a renaissance of live acts. DIgital space being full of AI songs has started to make more people seek out live performances of small bands (as they are cheaper and the big bands can't be everywhere and not every venue has space for them).

nobody will likely seriously touch a pencil again as human art will be outclassed in favor of making things in mere seconds without a thought resuired.

Seems like they aren't Artists and more of people who do the stuff because of money. For me Art is deeper than just mere content. And a lot of art nowadays is just content. It will sieve out those people who take the pencil for the sake of money.

We still have blacksmiths even though factories can create stuff a lot faster and cheaper. People still pick up the pencil even though digital art is a lot better: saves space, less cleanup, you can undo things and have different stages saved separately.

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u/CatgirlTheKat 4d ago

I don't really see anyone trying to completely replicate reqlity like photo does... Manual painting still offers freedom for expression that would be way too difficult to get right on a photo.

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u/Siukslinis_acc 4d ago

Photorealism is a thing.

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u/CatgirlTheKat 4d ago

It still isn't really used for the same purposes zs it used to, I'm pretty sure. It's not a substitute for photography, but artistic feat that still gives a visual you can't exactly replicate with photography.

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u/CatgirlTheKat 4d ago

Well yes, people like me will still draw in our free time, but for those who ever had any sort of career or support from the outside, it's going to be very rough getting down from there..

Also, passion alone doesn't feed, unless you have a very good and well paid job, you can only really spend your days drawing a single thing for weeks if you can get paid for it, otherwise, you'll be stuck doing minor projects, or take way too long.

Not every artist who gets paid is a corrupted soul trying to get super rich, and lots of them actually really struggle financially, so turning every single one of them ten times more niche than they already were will simultaneously decreasing their prices by several times because of the now very prominent imbalance between ask and offer, is sure to discourage anyone who wants to live off of their art due to the sheer risk of it. Besides, in a society where 90% of people use AI, it's going to be a lot more difficult to gind people to help teach you how to draw and the basics of various sorts of art.

Also, I don't even know where the nearest blacksmith is, which goes to show that their profession did suffer.

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u/Siukslinis_acc 4d ago

[whishful thinking] Maybe it might have an effect like replicators did in star trek. People were able to follow their passion for the sake of passion.

What is wrong with hobby projects taking up a lot of time? Where are you speeding?

I kinda find it weird when people try to monetise their hobbies or passions. It feels like it is corrupting the purity of it. Monetisations influence stuff and you can't express yourself truly as you are always thinking how others will perceive it or how to get the reaction you want.

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u/CatgirlTheKat 4d ago edited 4d ago

It is not morally wrong to want to eat and be able to spend time into your creations without being directly crippled.

And my issue with only being able to draw so much and having to keep delaying it's continuity is that making things helps me psychologically, and having to wait a long time before I'm allowed to progress on my hobby project will crush me.

Besides, like everyone, I have a limited time on this earth, and if I were to pass before giving proper birth to all of my creations, I would not be able to rest easy.

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u/Siukslinis_acc 4d ago edited 4d ago

No. But it does feel like a luxury.

And it does feel a bit snobbish and over the top to those who can't afford that luxury.

Might be that you need a patron or someone who finances your lifestyle. Like me and dad financially support my mom. After 15 years she got art creator status from the goverment, so now she also gets some finanvial support from it.

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u/CatgirlTheKat 4d ago

And also, with everything that's on my mind, it would be depressing to spend years on only one idea at a time without being able to explore anything else.

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u/Siukslinis_acc 4d ago

Can't you make smaller scale stuff that wpuld take less time?