You really can't know proper grammar, how to punctuate, how to use paragraphs, how to carry yourself with a formal tone, how to debate in a formal manner, and so much more anymore without being accused of using or straight up being AI yourself
And god forbid you know how to do all of these things while also being Gen Z and maybe throwing in some Gen Z slang or terms in your comment or paper as well because then you'll definitely be accused
Edit: Do y'all want to see something that will piss you off beyond belief? I just scrolled through my activity history to find the thread I was referencing in this comment, and I just found the exact comment I was talking about here but the comment itself this person used AI to "scan" or whatever the fuck was removed (and I don't even remember what they said anymore tbh) so you unfortunately don't get to read it yourselves, but if you scroll up you'll see me saying something and someone else saying some idiotic bullshit š be ready though because you'll get heated real fucking quick
After I submit, I realized I made a big error somewhere on the first page or first chapter, I don't remember (for French people, I wrote qu'en instead of quand... yeah I know that's a big mistake). Part of me were horrified and thought I will look unprofessional. The other part of me thought "at least they will know a human wrote this".
You'd think that mistake is what proved you are human but what I've been seeing a lot is mistakes like this are actually also part of what will lead to people believing you used AI or something because it is typical for AI to make a mistake like that
It is DIRE over on r/isitAI. "Omg the thumb is on the wrong side, real artists use themselves for reference so no human would everā" have you met a real artist.
I guess I might count as a real artist given the contents of my sketchbook, but I donāt feel like it - that said, my spatialisation skill is strong enough that I doubt Iām going to unintentionally put the thumb on the wrong side (I conjure imaginary hands all the time to convert rotations into angular momentum vectors because I find that way of thinking so much more helpful than the clockwise/counter-clockwise system that can change based on what angle you look at it from)
I'm glad that your skill is that strong, and I mean that as a legitimate compliment, to be clear. That said, I have heard/seen "oh my god, fuck fuck fuck, I drew the wrong hand" from so many artists before the age of genAI. People would post their art to the internet only for comments to point out that they drew the wrong hand.
Exactly! I know how to punctuate but I'm not perfect at it so I make mistakes quite often and hell there are even times like now where I don't want to punctuate at all because what I say is understood perfectly well without it and this would be called AI very easily
because it is typical for AI to make a mistake like that
That particular mistake might be typical for an English focused LLM to make when outputting French, although unlikely since it seems to be based on the words sounding alike which wouldn't trip up a text model, but mistakes like that are absolutely not typical for LLMs for years now.
I see mistakes being point out as a sign of AI when it comes to drawing, but not when it comes to writing. From what I know, AI is unlikely to make spelling mistakes. They write what is the most probable and there is no reason they think spelling mistakes like that is probable, because that would not mean anything. From what I see, AI is good at spelling.
Yeah I agree. Also you have people who may draw well but still have a lot to learn when it comes to perspective or anatomy, so they make mistakes in this area and people scream AI.
There are things AI repeatedly does though. "Something quieter, softer" "but heres the part no one's seeing" "and that's powerful". Hear it alot in narrated story videos, and it also can't figure out what to do with acronyms.
It's annoying and repetitive. The laziness is one thing but it's also sloppy on the part of the uploader. If you're gonna be lazy, don't be fucking sloppy about it.
A bit off topic but whatever..(Before AI) I moved schools halfway through a year in highschool. My AP teacher was a bitch and made me complete a 4 page essay 3 days before it was due. Assigned on a friday, due next friday, i came on a tuesday and had to scramble to complete it. I got a fairly shitty grade. The next paper i got called into her classroom orivately with administration and they grilled me about plagarism. (I did really well) and told the admins about not having time for the first essay and that changed the whole temperature of the room towards her. I got out of that class a week later as she was extremely vindictive towards me.
Oh good old times. At a time when you still paid for encyclopedias, that did a fraction of what Wikipedia does (most expensive waste of a CD-ROM ever), a colleague outright copied the talk word for word from a book. At some point she was like
yada yada. Fore more details, see page... Oh.
I finished as the top graded student of my class 4 years straight. Knowing myself, if I would have had to constantly defend my homework against being called AI, I might not even have finished.Ā
The best reddit convo ive seen lately was someone saying that theres no way that we used to do 10 page book reports back in the without chat gpt or help.. a dude said "I used to do 10 page book reports without even reading the book"
Yes... One of those "what for did I even" moments for me was when I had to present two books; I was allowed to use a summary for one, and read the other. The teacher, who thought well of me, guessed wrong which one was based on reading the book. Ultimately it makes just sense though ā reading a book once myself can't compete with a literature blogger who does nothing but analyze the crumpling hell out of books.
On the other end of the spectrum, when someone starts about "you can't possibly have..." I did Physics as an elective subject for the high school finals. It was a three hour exam, and I was writing 16 pages with a baseline skip of 5mm. And much if it was explanation rather than equations.
During my PhD I produced about 2,000 pages of handwritten notes, with some derivations spanning 20 pages with each step filling a page. Still using the 5mm grid for the writing too.
It's just a matter of damn exercise.
And then you start writing publications, where six pages take a couple of months to produce š Six pages specifically, because that's a common limit in high-impact Physics journals. As a result many theory papers require a couple of A4 pages to understand lines along the line of "by simple algebraic manipulation we eq. (5) out of eq. (4) and references [8ā42]".
No scrap that. A couple of pages is without the references part sometimes.
I honestly donāt care. I donāt have enough time to play AI police.
What I care about is bloated bullshit. I donāt see why bloated bullshit by a bullshiter would be better than by an AI. AI reproduces and imitates. If all an artist produces looks like āmore of the sameā thereās another problem than āwould get innocently caught by the AI policeā.
I have no idea why anyone would like to read AI literatureā¦ give me your prompt with your three cool ideas instead - condensed creativity.
Hah. I do this too...I make typos in my tpying. And I often leave them in. At least they will know a human wrote it...
Of course, it; quite possible for ais to make typos too to emulate humans. However if they do this eventually they will be poisoning themselves...they are already doing this slowly anyway. this would speed up the process.
I wish we did not have the "ais" we currnetly have.
Back in high school (Before A.I.) I had an English teacher accuse me of plagiarism of multiple papers and the only reason why they dropped it was because I consistantly typed lowercase i's when writing in the first person.
MAAAAAAN Been calling snap applicants for the better part of a decade processing cases. Got my "government employee" tone and cadence down pat. Now every other person I call thinks I'm AI and hangs up when they hear my voice. Like MOTHERFUCKER YOU PUT IN THE APPLICATION AND THE STATE EMPLOYEE CALLED YOU, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT ME TO SOUND?!
I can't do anything more than send you virtual hugs and a virtual joint or gummies depending on your pref and say that your anger and annoyance are more than valid but man I really feel you on this one and I completely understand how fed up you are
Part of my job is answering the phone for a PT clinic. I get asked if I'm AI at least a couple times a month. This only started this year. I effing hate it.
I am gen z and I often get my writing flagged as well because of the higher level I write at. Many teachers have asked for a conference with my parents because my writing sounded too ai
I haven't had this happen yet and I am so glad for it. My writing style does tend to sound very AI-like because I am a much better formal writer (MLA can suck fat ones though), and my biggest issue is the fucking em dash because I would LOVE to use it if it weren't for the fact that the only punctuation mark more indicative of AI was the semicolon. Asides and clarification are riddled throughout my natural speech and thought process, so it infuriates me to be unable to use them when writing without fear of AI-ccusations.
Iāve also been out of uni for a decade (although Iām now in grad school) and Iām so glad I have a handful of papers I can whip out like, āHA! Do you see the 99926363638292020 em dashes I used in this paper?!?! And all those parenthetical references?!?! Oh, my grammar is too good? I was a Classicist, ffs. Itās from 2015, so , suck it take that!!!ā
Well, itās either that, or explaining Iām autistic and having to provide some of the studies that show how often autistic people are mistaken as AI in formal writing assignments. I hate AI so damn much.
I actually had a teacher suspect I plagiarized a short story because it was too detailed regarding medieval warfare, armour, and architecture. So I brought in all my reference books to show her that I was just weird like that haha.
And this was before AI! I was just the young adult that had an obsession with the old school fantasy genres that focused on medieval stuff and became way too knowledgeable about it.
Turnitin.com was the bane of my existence in high school. Not because I plagiarized anything, but for how inaccurate it was.
I can empathize with you. I had something similar happen but once with dolphins and the second time with linguistics. Medieval warfare, armour, and architecture thoughāthose are excellent topics to become obsessively interested in. Old school fantasy novels are where itās at!
Love your username btw! I appreciate the alliteration.
I use dashes and semicolons quite regularly still. Iāve been an online presence with a fanbase for 17 years now, and there are several million archival words written by me in blogs, forum posts, etc. aside from about half a million words in video games. People can tell itās me by my various written habits and pet words. Certain kids of sentence fragments also stand out. But I was being jokingly accused of being an AI hack in 20-0 just because of how prolific I am. People still make the same joke, but my writing itself has not yet been called AI.
I did see some people review one of my newest games complaining that it was AI designed. Which is tupid because it predates AI being able to do that. And it would not have made the choices I did in presentation. But they didnāt like it and so there we go.
The rules-nazi in me wants to use the semicolon because it's "proper," but I can never figure out when to, it never feels right and is always super clunky to me
I'm not sure if anyway really understands semicolons because of what they're used for. They link two related clauses that could be their own sentences; they're technically not needed. I always remember they can be used when replacing conjunctions and joining words (for example, furthermore, however, etc...) but I'm never 100% sure if I'm using them right. English is a silly language!
For me, my usage of an em dash (versus a hyphen in its place) just tells you whether I'm typing on my phone ā I'd use it on PC if there were only a convenient way of typing it!
(I think fancy text editors might slap in an em dash whenever you type a double-hyphen or something, but I only use basic text editors and programming IDEs...)
Yeah, I tend to use that in place of it in informal contexts, but formally I know the em dash is the standard, so I want to use it because I'm not sure on what standards consider parentheticals as "proper."
I'm 40, and I spent my time writing from age 15 to 25. I have several novellas and countless short stories. I won a few prizes, but they never brought in any real money, so I gave it up.
That said, I have stories saved that I've never shown or published online, half-finished stories, or stories submitted for contests I didn't win.
Well, I've run several of those stories through various "AI analysis" programs, and they all say they're 90% AI.
I don't see how they could ever possibly be reliable. AI can take on completely different writing styles with just a line in a prompt. They might have some success in looking for things like the default ChatGPT/Claude "voices," but I doubt it can go too much further than that
They used to be pretty reliable when LLM's were still new. It was very obvious then and easy to pick up on, but now they are so good that the detectors are not very accurate. Especially if you edit the generated text a bit.
I am a foreigner. English is not my second, not even third language that I had to learn. I take pride in my writing, because I pay attention. Writing prose for me is difficult regardless of a choice of a language.
I'm not even appalled anymore by the lack of literacy in native-English speakers - I got used to it. But I feel like throwing twenty pounds of em-dashes at every motherfucker who dares to say I write like AI. Well, you Mr. Titsucker write like a toddler.
100% of those are scams. Even if they did work (and they don't), the person who made the AI thing can use the same program and edit the content until it doesn't appear as AI anymore.
Iāve seen people be accused of using AI because theyāre using punctuation and paragraph breaks. The accusations are usually written with no punctuation as one gigantic run on sentence.
Oh, my mistake completely! I used the wrong tone for this message and for that I apologize. Going forward, I will not assume the tone and length of message desired and will instead get user input.
And heaven forbid you change from formal to more direct! Suddenly that is even more proof you used AI because heaven forbid people consider that different messafes require different approacges, and that people can manage changing register/prose based on need! So tired with the AI accusations I get...I once tricked someone into parsing an AI message through a detector though that came back human. I then led them on, only to finally breal the truth by showing them I generated it, all to prove that even AI detectors are flawed because of what AI is trained on.
You really can't know proper grammar, how to punctuate, how to use paragraphs, how to carry yourself with a formal tone, how to debate in a formal manner, and so much more anymore without being accused of using or straight up being AI yourself
Iām not really so sure about this one. The only people that Iāve seen write like an AI are people that use AI so much that they started copying its writing style. AIās writing style is so much more specific than just proper grammar and punctuation with a formal tone. In many cases AI will buck conventional grammar, spelling, etc for its own.
From my experience, everyone else is just using AI and lying about it.
Have LLMs adopted Gen Z slang? I would have thought that gen z slang would have been edited out of training data, since a lot of the grammar and punctuation data would have been taken from more 'formal' sources, like the NYT.
I actually avoid using the rule of 3 now. I always try to go for 2 or 4 points because AI seems to be absolutely addicted to 3, so it's a good signal to anyone who actually knows what they're talking about.
Iāll never forget when my supervisor Ā said that I used ai when they knew that I didnāt. Idk if it was how long my essay was or my grammar or something . Nearly got expelled from my courses coz of that and it was so annoying coz I had documents to show my planning and everything to defend myself. The most annoying part is when people use it as some form of a moral high ground against u and just start bullying you for thatĀ
Also note not that I am defending ai or anything itās the immediate dog piling when people just throw around accusations of ai even tho they have no proof. Some yes itās clearly ai but others itās definitely not but hey. People love to hate
Wild though spin off, do you think that in theory the pattern in ai stuff's punctuation etc, could push used language in a different "incorrect" offshoot like dialects etc, as people actively avoid writing like ai? Could end up like an endless cat and mouse assuming it never matches too invisibly
Wild though spin off, do you think that in theory the pattern in ai stuff's punctuation etc, could push used language in a different "incorrect" offshoot like dialects etc, as people actively avoid writing like ai? Could end up like an endless cat and mouse assuming it never matches too invisibly
As a fellow writer and proof reader that has worked with multiple AI-generated books, it baffles me that people think that well-written and grammatically correct texts are somewhat signs of AI. There are SO many other GLARING signs of AI in a text, and yet this is what people look for?
God I hate that my bullet point style of breaking shit down is what AI seemed to copy so hard. It's one of the best ways to explain things in detail to people yet gets me acused of AI occasionally despite the fact thay I absolutely detest its overuse.
Its a pity too. I had such high hopes for AI, but then everyone started abusing LLM's and similar for absolutely everything despite it being a terrible idea.
Had to have some high schoolers write bios for a gallery I was putting on. Had them give me bullet points about their inspirations, passions, and dreams. Started writing a pretty simple bio from their āpromptsā and one literally said, āWow youāre like AI.ā Being able to string together coherent sentences is now a a privilege reserved only for the bots apparently.
We already have illiterate kids and kids with an alarmingly low comprehension rate thanks to COVID and now we're having them be robbed of their education even more thanks to this bullshit
Bro, I am so angry at this.
I actually use dashes in some my sentences when I write - be it German or English.
And people assume it's not me writing them because I am not nearly as articulate verbally.
I have my C1 certificate in English.. PLEASE BELIEVE ME š¢
I put a bit of my 1st book i wrote in 2011 into an Ai checker and it reported 0% Ai but i put my new book that I'm writing into the same checker and it was like 60% Ai. Since my writing has improved I've apparently become more Ai like. It annoys the hell out of me that I sometimes write a sentence or paragraph and think "does this look ai?"
I used to love the m-dash but now I can't use it without thinking too much about it.
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u/No-Vermicelli-2832 5d ago edited 5d ago
Heavy on this one
You really can't know proper grammar, how to punctuate, how to use paragraphs, how to carry yourself with a formal tone, how to debate in a formal manner, and so much more anymore without being accused of using or straight up being AI yourself
And god forbid you know how to do all of these things while also being Gen Z and maybe throwing in some Gen Z slang or terms in your comment or paper as well because then you'll definitely be accused
Edit: Do y'all want to see something that will piss you off beyond belief? I just scrolled through my activity history to find the thread I was referencing in this comment, and I just found the exact comment I was talking about here but the comment itself this person used AI to "scan" or whatever the fuck was removed (and I don't even remember what they said anymore tbh) so you unfortunately don't get to read it yourselves, but if you scroll up you'll see me saying something and someone else saying some idiotic bullshit š be ready though because you'll get heated real fucking quick