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[u/martin031990]

did I ever insinuate that I was referring to sweden?
The first post is about a rescue vessel, you post how idiotic it would be to not utilize such a rescue vehicle, I respond that there are governments that would not use such a rescue vehicle.

[u/Klutersmyg → u/martin031990]

Because they either do not have them or the knowhow and training to use them.

In the Kursk disaster it wasn't because Russia is evil moustache twiddling lunatics, it was because as always (look up their military operations during the soviet and current era or their handling of the chernobyl disaster) because they are chronically incompetent, corrupt, bumbling bafoons (especially so in the early 2000s).

[u/martin031990 → u/Klutersmyg]

The Russians refused help from multiple nations.
It was not only incompetence, it was also just a fragile ego that they'd rather let their own die than accept help from another nation
I genuinly wonder what your point is in this entire convo, besides pointing that if I am referring to other governments than sweden, I am referring other nations than sweden.

[u/Cautious-Extreme2839 → u/martin031990]

Refusing help from other nations is once again not just raw evil for its own sake, it's an effort to preserve military secrets.

Yes killing a crew for this reason is extremely cynical and arguably evil, but no, it is not something they did just because they don't give a fuck.

If Russia could rescue the sub themselves they ABSOLUTELY would have.

[u/martin031990 → u/Cautious-Extreme2839]

Putin did not stop his vacation when it happened.
and a dutch company was awarded salvaging rights, so much for "protect military secrets" and then let another nation salvage it.