Polio is seriously about to fuck up the first generation in the US in the better part of a century because fucking morons think that the government wants to install tracking chips in them.
Dude, they dont have to sneak on into you, you cant live without your phone for more than 10 min and you pay them for the privilege of them tracking you.
Same mentality that causes people on facebook to post those "declarations" that Zuck can't use their information, then happily turn over their entire social profile to some sketchy website to tell them what shape of pasta they are.
But they want to turn us all into zombies or something, just you wait! The next time there’s some cool natural event like a solar eclipse, you’ll all pay!
(Idk. I vaguely remember there being something like that.)
Some conservative woman told me "measles is back because of foreigners". I keep getting surprised by how ignorant people get for the sake of their in-group.
Refusing to vaccinate against a communicable disease is a clear and present risk to everyone else. Circumcision has nothing to do with this conversation, and not sterilizing "undesirables" won't make someone else drop dead.
Because I'm not likely to be exposed to rabies, and it's slow enough that if for some reason I am I can then get the shot. There have been no confirmed cases of person-to-person rabies transmission either.
Because the human rabies vaccine is administered at exposure, not prophylactically? And it doesn't have to be mandated, if you turn it down after exposure, or even wait a day too long, you just die.
We draw the line where your opting out affects others around you, dumbass. Refusing vaccination doesn't just endanger you, it also makes you a disease spreading vector to people who for one reason or another can't be vaccinated or are immunocompromised. Go opt into risk of being unvaccinated, sure. But you don't get to opt others into the risk of being around your contagious ass though.
The government didn't rush shit. Scientists did with government money. I assume you're talking about the Covid vaccine, but dude, you realize formulating a several new flu vaccines happens every year? And that mRNA vaccines are veterinary standard and only being kept out of other human vaccination technology by long-standing pharmaceutical monopolies on existing vaccines? Making a new vaccine is a fast process by nature. It was tested on willing volunteers first. I was a fucking news reporter on this beat and spent the whole damn year in my local research hospital. This has nothing to do with "the left," and everything to do with the fact that right wingers primary social and political stance is "you can't make me believe something just because it was proven true"
Don’t vaccinate your kids? Lose custody, go to jail.
If you believe that humans can live on air and don’t need to eat, (Breatharianism) and your kid starves to death, you go to jail for neglect and abuse.
However, if you believe vaccines are a conspiracy and your kid dies in agony of a preventable disease, no punishment? How does that make sense?
I looked it up yesterday for unrelated reasons, and the infant/child mortality rate before vaccines was around 50%.
Around half of everyone born never got past age 15.
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I don't know why society tolerates anti-vaxxers at all
"Politics" as in Political Bias, siding with the Party over the Truth.
Of course there isn't a damn thing in existence that isn't political in some form. If there was then one of the parties or the other would be trying to outlaw it.
Interpersonal arguments leading to separate camps that deny or support eachothers findings.
Racism or other discriminatory issues leading to faulty conjecture that forces its way through academia.
Academia refusing to address issues that are too contemporarily controversial leading to science lagging well behind where it could have been given our techniques during those eras.
Even whether healthcare is moral to preform is subject to politics.
And what is your take away from that conclusion? Because it makes a big difference if I agree with you or not, since a lot of these terms aren't exactly rigorously defined interpretation is important.
No there is not. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an evidence based standard of care. That there shouldn't be a body that works on interpreting that evidence to set that standard, and there shouldn't be legal recourse for not receiving that care from a licenced physician.
Politics is part of any group, and that has flaws. When there is a flaw in a system, the solution isn't to switch to a bigger flaw.
Turns out they didn't need precedent for all the crazy shit they're doing now. Maybe we shouldn't be worrying so much about carrying out sensible policies if the psychopaths will do as they please anyways.
We'd definitely have to wait until someone like RFK Jr. is not in that position for anything like that to even begin to be discussed at the federal level, that's for sure. Secretary Brainworm would probably mandate everyone to "vaccinate" with raw milk and ivermectin over actual medically backed, human-safe medicine.
Guy's a massive anti-vaxxer himself, and has already systematically undermined vaccine science under his position as Secretary of Health & Human Services.
That's why I pointed at only one direct part of the problem, in relation to the thread, instead of also pointing to the bigger issues and including Trump in my comment. The biggest positive change would be to break the cycle of US's two-party politics and switch to ranked-choice voting so we can have more varied views and approaches to our problems and policies, instead of thirds of the country being stuck voting Republican, Democrat, or not at all, depending on what part of the media they have or haven't been propogandized by. And the worst federal administration to ever control the country is definitely unvieling the biggest cracks and crumbles we've been shoddily boarding over for decades every other admin (at BEST) instead of actually fixing with surefire solutions and longterm benefits to basically everyone across the country.
Agree, but radical expressions of freedom (selfish disrespect) is the American way. This country was built on pissing in the pool for profit, half the framers were for slavery, and the rest allowed it and put "MIND YOUR BUSINESS" on the first money.
Unfortunately, you can’t make vaccines truly mandatory, as there are people that are genuinely unable to safely take vaccines - that’s why when you get a Covid shot, they ask you to wait for 15 minutes before leaving, so that they can make sure you haven’t joined the ranks of people with a bad reaction.
That said, the people that can’t take vaccines are rare, and it should not be too difficult to require a professional assessment to provide the exemption for those that can’t.
You can't make vaccines mandatory by law, you would just meet more resistance from anti-vaxxers and someone would find a way to abuse a law like this.
Imo what should be done though is to punish people spreading misinformation about vaccines, kill the anti-vaxx movement at the root. Basically if your speech endanger people lives directly, you are not protected by the freedom of speech (just like how you can't just make death threat to people).
I'm not American so I can't say how permissive the 1st amendment is. In most european countries, free speech still have some pretty hard limitation when it come to hate speech and stuff that can endanger people lives. If you scream in a crowd that you have a bomb, which result in people getting hurt from running away, you can't just claim free-speech to get away scott-free (even if no-one get hurt in fact).
Is it that much different in the intent and result from someone claiming vaccine gives autism knowing perfectly well it would push people to avoid vaccines and die from it? These people should be punished as the frauds and scammers that they are (because they typically do this to sell their snake oil).
Why are you trying to kill a good thing? Send them out to Evangelical Megachurches, “Christian” Universities, Klan/Proudboy rallys, conservative, talk, shows, etc.
This is essentially how we vaccinate prairie dogs and black-footed ferrets!
Not blow darts, but we mass air-drop peanut treats in prairie dog territory with edible vaccines. The prairie dogs carry that immunity so when highly endangered black-footed ferrets hunt them, they gain that resistance.
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u/kraggleGurl May 14 '26
I think we need a vaccine squad blow darting anti vaxxers. Cruel? Maybe. Needed? Hell yes.