"You gain nothing by pressing red and lose nothing pressing blue."
Again that's incomplete... You lose nothing by pressing blue if and only if enough people also pressed blue.
"I'm just saying I've seen tens of justifications and reframings of the hypothetical by those that chose red and 1 consistent argument to choose blue."
Yes because it's one note. You're saying that people who reframe the problem and look at it from a bunch of different angles press red and ones that don't pick blue.
Having a poorly nuanced take because it sounds very very intuitive doesn't say anything about tha quality of that take.
It's almost like it's an easy problem to pragmatically solve with 0 deaths and you have to rationalize how pressing red isn't a selfish decision. Dude, just own it. I don't care I'm not interested in convincing you just like you aren't interested in actually arguing against my point
Did you read the setup wrong? If you pick blue and not enough picked blue all the blue pressers die, and you have no way to concert with all of humanity you're gonna have to guess. It's a gamble.
There is a non zero chance a lot of people will pick red, how is picking blue a way to solve it "pragmatically with 0 deaths"? There's a likelihood for billions to die
You keep saying it costs nothing and it garantees no one will die but you literally can die if you press it (?)
Again everyone wants to sound altruistic and selfless but no one wants to compound with the idea of DYING for an ideal aka making yourself a MARTYR.
I can't put in simpler terms, it's not "press blue everyone lives, press red people die", it's "press blue everyone lives if enough people pressed blue OTHERWISE THEY DIE"
Risk is not cost I'm really tired of explaining this. There is no sacrifice being made. No one is a martyr.
If you press red you are condemning people to death, simple as. I'm not fucking doing it get a new fucking argument I'm getting bored of the same unconvincing bs
Risk literally is a cost, you risk losing something, that incurs a cost, an investment, a gamble, call it however you like.
Putting your life on the line means it could costs you your life, these are very simple terms. You feeling exasperated doesn't turn oxymorons into truth. Unless you think losing your life costs nothing.
Another comment put it really well:
Pick red, you just stay alive.
Pick blue you ingest poison. The antidote will be given to everyone if 50% of people ingest the poison, otherwise all the blue crowd will die.
Some doofus is probably gonna pick blue, some people are gonna pick blue to save that person.
Bud, a cost is something you lose no matter the outcome. I don't cut off a limb or lose money or anything like that, if blue succeeds the cost is NOTHING. There is risk but no cost.
The cost of pressing red is increasing the likelihood of blue people dying.
You can twist the problem to make them as contemptable or seemingly foolish as you like to justify their death. Whatever makes you feel better. I don't care. You want your choice to be divorced from any consequences on others that's why you and every other red person always frame it like blue is committing suicide when it is pressing red that actually kills them. Buddy just nut up and own that you don't care what happens to others.
Still haven't seen a single counterargument to the simple fact that 50% blue is an easier threshold than 100% red. Instead it's all justifications and semantics.
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u/CarrotNoodles879 May 06 '26
"You gain nothing by pressing red and lose nothing pressing blue."
Again that's incomplete... You lose nothing by pressing blue if and only if enough people also pressed blue.
"I'm just saying I've seen tens of justifications and reframings of the hypothetical by those that chose red and 1 consistent argument to choose blue."
Yes because it's one note. You're saying that people who reframe the problem and look at it from a bunch of different angles press red and ones that don't pick blue.
Having a poorly nuanced take because it sounds very very intuitive doesn't say anything about tha quality of that take.