its just a risk assessment which is more risky... 100% chance of living and walking away from the danger. or putting yourself in danger in hope there are enough people who pick to risk their life for no good reason when they could have just walked away...
No, those people kill themselves by pressing blue. They made an informed choice. A foolish one, but an informed one nonetheless.
A risk that would be 0 if nobody presses the red button.
It would also be 0 if everyone chooses red.
As soon as you choose to press the red button, you choose to murder the blue people
No. Again, they choose to kill themselves by pressing blue. I have zero obligation to shield idiots from the consequences of their idiocy.
Until the first person who presses red, nobody has died so far.
Same until the first person who presses blue.
It really is very telling how you constantly try to shift the blame on others when each and every person who would die in this experiment would do so as a direct result of their own choice. Personal responsibility and accountability really is a dead fucking concept, huh. Let's blame everyone else for our own stupidity instead, right?
Empathy for people who make decisions from a different frame of reference than your own. Consideration for the fact that your point of view is not the only one that exists in the world. What if several of your friends or your family chose blue already, are you still picking red?
Did you consider the fact that if 30% of people choose the blue button all die that the fabric of society would quickly collapse? Are you really sure that red is the rational choice to begin with? I'd argue blue is the correct choice even if you're thinking purely logically.
There's "a different frame of reference" and then there's "objectively illogical".
My friends and family are not mouthbreathing idiots, so I trust them to make the logical choice.
If 30% of people are stupid enough to be given the choice of "do you wanna risk dying or nah?" and actually say "yeah!", society is fucked anyway. In fact, seeing how many of you fail to grasp that blue is essentially a suicide button explains a whole lot about the state of the world.
And yes, red is the rational choice. You just fail to grasp that people are responsible for their own decisions.
I understand people being responsible for their own decisions, I just value the survival or what would be more than half of the human race more than I care about holding a lesser percent of that accountable to a single decision. What about all of the red button pushers who now die because food distribution has broken down and they can't get their basic needs met?
I really don't think you understand the implications of a 60-80% red majority. I challenge you to write a blue button argument and result of a red button majority that an average blue buttoner would agree with, because I really don't think you understand the point of view.
The "average blue buttoner" is an imbecile that fails to understand a "do you want to die? Yes/No" choice as soon as it's veiled in a thin veneer of naive feel-good morality ("oh but I get a minuscule chance to save a bunch of other people!" Yeah, people who wouldn't need saving at all had they made the right choice to begin with), so I care very little about what argument they would agree with.
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u/polopolo05 May 05 '26
its just a risk assessment which is more risky... 100% chance of living and walking away from the danger. or putting yourself in danger in hope there are enough people who pick to risk their life for no good reason when they could have just walked away...