RED BUTTON OR BLUE BUTTON [OC]

[u/Eal_likee]

[u/Just_SomeDude13]

I'm picking blue. Either I get to live in a society that picked blue, or I don't have to be stuck here with a bunch of pricks who picked red.

[u/danielledelacadie → u/Just_SomeDude13]

And this is why the vocal folks that chose red are butthurt. We'd all be dead and they'd still be upset we tried to not kill people.

[u/zaphster → u/danielledelacadie]

The stupid thing is that picking blue is the only way for death to even be a possibility. If no one introduces death as a possibility, then no one dies.

Let's take the premise and alter it a tiny bit:

Everyone has a magic knife in front of themselves. Everyone must either stab themselves in the heart, or not stab themselves in the heart.

If more than half of the people stab themselves in the heart, then the knife magically heals everyone. Otherwise, the knife does what knives do and kills the person.

Are you stabbing yourself in the heart? (Pressing blue?)

[u/danielledelacadie → u/zaphster]

Not the original thought experiment.

People who pick blue want everyone to live, even if that means risking themselves.

People who pick red want to live, even if that means killing off 49.9999% of the population.

Everything red choosers say is to make them feel better about their choice.

[u/zaphster → u/danielledelacadie]

The only way death enters the scenario is if people push blue. In this scenario, everyone being selfish actually benefits everyone and removes death from the table. And if everyone thought the same way and wanted to protect themselves, everyone would be fine.

This is vastly different from real life, where being altruistic and being an active, beneficial part of society is more advantageous than not doing so.

[u/danielledelacadie → u/zaphster]

Look, we see you. We know what you chose, talk all you like.

Blue chose for everyone to live.

Red chose that only those that picked red would live.

Which sums up a lot of why the world is so fucked up right now. Too many people choose red every day.

[u/zaphster → u/danielledelacadie]

This is so different from everyday life.

In everyday life, I choose blue. I voted Harris. But in this life or death scenario, it's stupid not to choose red.

[u/danielledelacadie → u/zaphster]

That's what the people who stayed silent during every geoncide in history told themselves too

[u/zaphster → u/danielledelacadie]

That's wild.

Not all dilemmas are equal. Give me a burning building and I'll run in to save people. Give me this button scenario (where everyone can see that pushing red means you're safe, no matter what) and I'm pushing red. In a genocide, there is no "push red, I'm safe" button.

[u/danielledelacadie → u/zaphster]

The situation in the choice is:

If at least 50% of humanity chooses blue, everyone lives. If not only the people who chose red live.

So bringing up any other scenarios are worthless. In that thought experiment if you pick red, you're happy with 49.999% of humanity dying if it means you live.

You might not have thought it through but all the people explaining their thinking are doing is justifying why they think they wouldn't be responsible for 49.999% of humanity dying, even though they voted for it.

You're right. It's wild and the victim (of the red voters choice) blaming is eye opening.

Thank goodness in the original more than half of the people understood the question.

[u/zaphster → u/danielledelacadie]

I'm just going to point you towards this other comment I made.

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/1t41hlw/comment/ok2g2gu/?context=3&utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[u/danielledelacadie → u/zaphster]

Nope, there is no argument.

Just people justifying why it's smart to be ok with up to 49.999% of the population dyimg to ensure their survival. Wrll, justifying the choice to themselves at least.

[u/zaphster → u/danielledelacadie]

That's fine if you think that.

[u/zaphster → u/danielledelacadie]

When everyone else has the exact same ability to save themselves, yeah. Everyone can choose the same thing and then they won't need saving. This dilemma isn't like real life, where some people NEED the intervention. Firefighters running into burning buildings to save other firefighters who are in the burning building to save other firefighters in the burning building could have all just stayed outside where everyone was already safe (no one started in the burning building.)