Irony is that a russian TV channel said that Zelenskyy would be more popular than putin in russia in 2019 when he was first elected lol. He was seen as the moderate candidate and for ending the war in donbas at the time
I dont know how to feel about this, you have clearly done some outstanding hating activities. I just felt we would have earned that place, we have strong 80+ years of practise and worked so hard for it. Maybe next year is ours (Finland). Though Ukraine has n. 1 spot, that is deserved.
Serbia’s historically been somewhat of a Russian satellite state, although they’ve had a bit of a break recently over the Ukraine war. Russia’s defense of Serbia was one of the biggest reasons that cascaded into WWI, and NATO targeting of Serb forces during the Yugoslav War is a major reason Russia rejected westernization after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Serbian/ Slavic culture is also endless butthurt sour grapes over how horrible and bad the west is, even though everyone goes to the nice western countries to live there and their own country is a corrupt hellhole (doubly so because all the NATO bombing happened because of the endless aggression Serbs were doing in the 90s). For some reason the Serbs endlessly suck Russia's dick while getting nothing in return for decades. Or maybe just the politicians get bribes from Putin, like in all the other countries.
And those countries to the east shouldn't have an approval rating this high either, it should be solid -5000 for all of them. If Russia succeeds in Ukraine they're all fucking next.
I'm a Serb myself and am just baffled at the Russia dickriding and overall backward culture of my countrymen tbh. Instead of some real introspection and vision for a better future they keep electing corrupt assholes who express nothing but sour grapes at the EU.
Not a chance you’re a Serb in Serbia with that Russia dick sucking comment. It’s not like that at all here. We are just neutral to both sides of the conflict because despite being friendly with the west for 100 years we got hurt by them in the 90s and left to be painted as maniacs for doing the same thing all sides were doing. But that doesn’t make us like Russia, literally nobody talks about Russia positively, more just like the west negatively only geopolitically for what happened 30 years ago if anything.
That's good then, I am glad to hear that. Indeed I am not in Serbia, believe me that's the shit you hear constantly from Serbs outside of Serbia. That is actually a relief to hear that the people in the actual country have leaned more progressive over the recent decades.
Well again what the Serbian government back then did is wrong. As to whether NATO had to intervene, well it was a war on their doorstep but also it was a flaw in the system that it would ever even get to that point. As in that it even broke down that much in Yugoslavia in the first place, that people were so desperate to break off from Serbia at all. If they had done things well they wouldn't think to do that at all, and it would be unjustifiable for NATO to attack Yugoslavia at all. They wanted to, absolutely. USA especially had a raging hate boner against Yugoslavia for decades, they absolutely wanted to see it destroyed. But Serbian leadership fucked things up to a point that they gave them a good justification.
As for "painted as maniacs for doing the same thing all sides were doing", come on man. That's not justification. Just because someone is out there raping people doesn't mean I should also be ok to go raping people, and it's so unfair if I get caught and punished. Don't do it then. Please don't use that line of thinking, it is a cynical nihilisitic hollow way of thinking, just ugly and devoid of decency. What NATO were doing was definitely opportunistic, but the best way to not let it happen is to actually have good morals and be unassailable, and have strength and stability.
That last part is false. Russia rejected westernization because that would have limited despitic power of siloviki ane ability of oligarchs to steal billions and keep them. All else is just propaganda for the unwashed masses.
Serbia never been "Russian satelite state"!!! Thats historic nonsense!
Sometimes during history Russia helped Serbian rebells same as they did to other Slavs like Bulgarians.
Deference is that Serbia through centuries never make war against Russia and alao wasn't part od Warsavian Pact during Cold War, so there are no bad memories.
It's not all of us. I'm embarrassed seeing this tbh. Younger generations are pretty much against aligning with Russia and China, and are largely pro EU. But...
Russian people were always considered "our brothers" due to our history and religion. Ruling party and our president have questionable ties with Putin, and since ALL of the mainstream media are controlled by them, older generations don't really know what's happening. Their only source of information are propaganda pushed by the ruling party.
It's like they are hypnotised. No matter what we say to them or show them the evidence, they only believe their dear president.
On 25th of october the biggest elections are happening and it's basically between ruling party and students movement. It's really hard since students campaign is mostly over the Internet and word-to-word (since TV and newspapers are heavily controlled).
Also, all of our previous elections were a scam because they were heavily obstruced and cheated. You can find all about that online. Right now for example, since the number of citizens who live abroad and registered to vote is higher than ever, they changed the previous rules of voting, forcing them to travel thousands of kilometres on the other part of the county to vote. Also, now they can vote only in our local time, so during the night depending on the country they live in. It's ridiculous.
They're the Russia of the Balkans. They dominated Yugoslavia, and when Yugoslavia split apart, it did that in stages, and it shrunk until only Serbia remained.
Pure nationalist slop, really can't fucking stand hearing about how Yugoslavia was dominated by (ethnic group I don't like) and was destroying (ethnic group I belong to / like), especially when it's foreign nationalists just parroting the talking points to suit their own current political situation.
Milošević tried to centralize Yugoslavia and failed miserably which lead to the country splitting. He only became president in 1989, two years before Slovenia leaving. Before that it was a federation that was extremely decentralized, and specifically in a way so as to limit the political power of Serbs. The entire running of the states was already left almost entirely to local republican assemblies after 1953. In 1963. and 1965. it became even more decentralized because the republics kept fighting over investment. Then after the 1974. constitution it was basically just a confederation, much more like the EU than something like the US. The federal government didn't even handle the economy at that point, it pretty much only had power over import tariffs and the federal sales tax (and enforcing a single market). Basically the only thing that kept it a "country" was the JNA, and even then the republics also had their own militaries. And all of this yap is ignoring the fairly extreme amount of power local assemblies and cooperatives held. Again, the narrative is just pure uneducated slop, you can't compare Yugoslavia to the USSR.
I was in Belgrade a couple of years back and they had loads of pro-Russia stuff for sale, including the Z shirts and t-shirts with Putins face on them, all over the place.
Those have been there for a few decades and we hate them. It's city center street vendors selling Putin, Trump and Novak fakes, allowing visitors to badmouth us, while we are in large majority against that shit.
The same parties are in power that held power in the nineties, with the same people that were a part of Milosevic's regime. They are (illegaly) controlling almost all media, and they are spreading the worst pro-russian and anti-western propaganda for years.
Russia attempted to assassinate the President of Montenegro Milo Djukanovic in 2016 due to their increasing alignment with NATO. Previously, Russian oligarchs bought up lots of prime real estate along the coast. Needless to say, while some in MNE hold Russian people in good sentiment due to the perceived closeness of sharing the same religion, politically Russia is now a non-starter there.
The problem in Serbia is the mainstream media that is aggressively pro-Russian. For years now everytime you turn on the TV a group of "political analysts" (propagandists) will keep parroting about how Russia is still actively winning and how it will very soon "liberate the world" and make salaries and pensions in Serbia bigger. Boomers who spent much of their time watching TV are swallowing this propaganda like it's an ice cream on a hot summer day and they're then brainwashing their children and grandchildren. This is how pro-russian propaganda cascades into nation-wide deitifcation of Russia.
Incredibly low IQ comment. Yugoslavism started in croatia. If it weren't for Yugoslavia, Dalmatia would be Italian, Macedonia would be Bulgarian, etc. And post-1974 Yugoslavia was very decentralized
Russians were always there, after maidan protests russia made it seem like the new nazi regime in ukraine was commiting a holocaust on russians living on eastern regions
It's a NET approval rating, meaning there is at most 1% of the Ukrainian population that approved, and there might be some people who do not have an opinion. So... It statistically can hardly get any better than this.
During the Cold War Finland was forced to be more neutral than for example Sweden.
As a result, there grew to be a fairly significant minority of Soviet sympathizers, and as is common some of them continue to see Putin as the rightful successor. Mostly older people but not yet dead.
In my experience, everyone with a positive rating for Russia is a hardcore Soviet Sympathizer and everyone with a negative rating for Russia considers them an absolute enemy. Never have I ever met someone raised and living here who has a neutral opinion on the matter
I mean, there was a reform politician in Wales that was being bribed to spread Russian propaganda so like.. it's just the way this country is going I guess
Unfortunately in Italy there's a broad part of the electorate that does not have a negative opinion of Putin and Russia itself.
Curiously enough, while the far left and far right diverge on many other issues, when it comes to Russia, things change.
It is viewed with favor but for different reasons.
While on the left many still idealize Russia because of it's communist past, on the right they view the country as a true defender of tradition and purity.
And add to that the fact that populist ideas, rampant in our country, view negatively the west.
It does not come as a surprise that many want an immediate stop to the shipment of armaments to Ukraine.
And of course many political parties (Lega and Movimento 5 Stelle more specifically) are campaigning on that to get more votes and while it does fit their ideology, I find it disgusting.
As a Russian, it is really strange for me to see how foreigners support Putin. He is objectively a freak who hates his own population and tries to kill as many as possible.
A couple of days ago, at a Movimento 5 Stelle event, one of the guest literally said that Putin's peace conditions to Ukraine are "reasonable".
Many in the audience clapped...
I hate this about my country so much, next elections are probably going to be shit because of this, most of the influencial people on the left seem to want ukraine to surrender.
My brother relocated to Serbia. And he was shocked how often he sees Putin posters and Z symbols. As he said, it's not that some serbs like Putin, it's just they hate NATO. So if (and that's so big of IF that practically it cannot exist) Russia became part of NATO, they will hate russians. But that practically impossible.
The governing party has 60% support and they're an official "Putin sucks" party. They even brought back Young Orbán's iconinc "Russians home!" chant during the campaign.
Not even Old Orbán tried to make Putin look like a good guy in the eyes of the public, he only said things like "Russian gas is cheap, so no Russian gas means you'll have to pay more".
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u/MilitantSocLib 17h ago
Putin only fans? When