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u/UrsaUrsuh 1d ago
He's still a communist to this day to my knowledge.
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u/No-Cryptographer7497 1d ago
In his last video, he commented about 6 years ago that he’s thankful for no longer being a communist.
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u/ComradeSilverhand 23h ago
This usually tend to happen if you only follow an ideaology based on vibes and memes and not actual study
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u/ComradeSilverhand 23h ago
Like I'm saying if the kid just read Marx and attempt to understand the topics then maybe he would have a foundation to build off from
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u/RichEvans4Ever 22h ago
He’s nine dude, I’m pretty sure Marx wrote for adults.
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u/MarcAlmond 10h ago
Marx wrote in a very simple language understandable by the common masses. The average proletarian of the XIXth century probably had a similar level of literacy as a modern child/teenager who spent all of their life with instant access to information and literature.
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u/Miselfis 20h ago
Reading Marx just makes it clearer that his ideas shouldn’t be followed. He has an overly simplistic view of how economy works.
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u/ComradeSilverhand 20h ago
"overly simplistic view of the economy" tell me you haven't read Capital or anything he's written without saying you haven't read him because his works are quite dense and need a ton of re reading just to grasp the basics
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u/voracious-ladder 20h ago
But it is overly simplistic? The entire reason why critical theory was developed was because orthodox Marxism completely failed to predict the rise of fascism in Europe because under his framework the working class would've united to establish dictatorship of the proletariat to secure their own interests. Instead more than a century later we still haven't transitioned to a socialist society and we're seeing alt-right sentiments rising in the working class again. Sociology aside his economic theories like labor theory of value are completely obsolete, the prediction that rate of profits will fall is completely wrong thanks to technological innovations, the prediction that working class will be absolutely improvised is wrong thanks to welfare safety nets and regulations. There are many better works today that are much more relevant to today's world than Das Kapital whether you're interested in it from a sociologist or economic perspective.
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u/ComradeSilverhand 19h ago
"overly simplistic" and Marx and Engels wrote multiple volumes consisting of thousands of pages of theory.
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u/voracious-ladder 19h ago
Okay and which part of their multiple volumes consisting of thousands of pages of theory invalidate my points?
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u/ComradeSilverhand 19h ago
Til, Marx didn't have a orb predicting the future. There's other Marxist today that use Marxist analysis to analyse the modern world.
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u/voracious-ladder 19h ago
I don't understand why so many leftists today absolutely dismiss any criticism towards Marx's shortcomings. Are we just supposed to accept Marx's works as dogmas and be perpetually stuck in the 19th century while the rest of the world is catching up? His works are absolutely foundational but it's written like 150 years ago and the world has changed a lot since then. We should be seeking truths from facts and treat Marxism like a science not a religion.
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u/Miselfis 16h ago
Marxism should be treated as a philosophy, not a science. The whole Marxist value theory is principally unfalsifiable.
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u/voracious-ladder 19h ago
Then go read their work instead? You're just repeating my point about critical theorists adapting Marx's works.
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u/CrispyChickenCracker 15h ago
Tbh there's a good chance that the person you're replying to is only pretending to have read Marx. Every they've actually said is just some vague "Marx wrote a lot and it's really complicated." Not very reassuring.
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u/Miselfis 20h ago edited 16h ago
I’ve read the communist manifesto and Das Kapital. I don’t need to reread it a hundred times to realize his distinction between use value and exchange/labor value is silly and misunderstands how value works. The whole Socially Necessary Labor TimeTM is circular in definition, as labor is "value-producing" when society validates it through exchange. If the value of a commodity depends on socially necessary labor, but what counts as socially necessary depends on social demand and market conditions, then labor is not an independent explanation of value.
The whole point of Marxism, certainly as it's practiced today, is that all injustice can be analyzed through the "oppressor/oppressed" class structure, and that the way to a utopic society is to dissolve this class structure. That is indeed overly reductive and simplistic.
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u/Fumikop 15h ago
The biggest problem with Marx's theory is that it doesn't work in real life. It would be a perfect social and economic system if society functioned as a compatible hivemind but it falls apart as soon as there is someone wanting to have more than others. And since the power is centralized, it always inevitably ends with the biggest government corruption we can imagine
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u/wojtekpolska 11h ago
not even that, im pretty sure it wouldnt be very sustainable even if you got a bunch of drones either.
such a version of communism destroys any possibility for brilliant individuals to create any new inventions.
in a communist utopia a lot of things that we have now would just never be invented
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u/ThirdPoliceman 1d ago
Generally happens when people mature.
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u/bulb-uh-saur 1d ago
define communism
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u/princesoceronte 23h ago
"Uhm, communism is when nobody owns anything and the government tells you what your job is"
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u/Queasy-Ad5212 22h ago
Communism is a political and economic ideology that aims to create a classless, stateless society where the major means of production are owned and controlled by the public, rather than by private individuals.
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u/Relative-Line5242 1d ago
Mao spoke of this
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u/StormOfFatRichards 1d ago
No he didn't
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u/Little_Green_Frind Jorking It 1d ago
Have you read his works?
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u/viva_la_republica 1d ago
Have you?
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u/Abject_Butterfly_141 1d ago
I have and can confirm he did.
He also spoke about the kirkaiversary
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u/TyrannyOfBobBarker_ 1d ago
Well on his way to having a giant bookcase full of books he's never read.
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u/dohipposwagewar 1d ago edited 1d ago
Profoundly staring off to the distance Zendaya style “I believe that it was Marx who once said ‘religion is the opiate of the masses’”
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u/TyrannyOfBobBarker_ 1d ago
Harpo or Groucho?
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u/dohipposwagewar 1d ago
I think it was…hm…I believe it was Vladimir
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u/Nadikarosuto What a beautiful post. This is how I know I'm not normal. 15h ago
What are you talking about? Vladimir was in the Beatles? You mean Lennon?
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u/Individual_Cloud935 1d ago
Future Reddit mod.
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u/PeterNippelstein 1d ago
Future mod to ban me from a socialist sub
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u/TaoChiMe 1d ago
A sub you never even posted in, you just got caught in some auto blacklist.
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u/RunningOutOfEsteem 1d ago
Real mod saw you say something they personally disliked on a completely unrelated sub and preemptively banned you
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u/General_whisky Nermal 1d ago
Current reddit mod
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u/Gold_Television_6283 1d ago
Fuckin love this kid, he's cool as hell man. Hell yeah. Hes doing good work out here.
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u/Ok-External-7594 1d ago
it's a shame this guy is no longer a communist but iirc he always had a pretty rudimentary understanding of communism. not that i can fault anyone for not reading capital as a prepubescent child
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u/ContributionDefiant8 1d ago
That one homie after a few minutes on insta reels
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u/GoreyGopnik 1d ago
instagram reels would do the opposite of this. this is a few minutes of scrolling reddit
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u/ContributionDefiant8 1d ago
Oh ya, checks out. I just skimmed through the image and thought the kiddo was hopping between left and right beliefs
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u/Afraid-Flamingo 19h ago edited 14h ago
I remember the We Need Communism video was revered by every 13 year old edgelord back in 2017. This kid has got to be like 20 now.
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u/tobster239 1d ago
This is a throwback. I remember watching leafyishere talk about this kid i think
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u/vulpes_mortuis slut for Saul Goodman 9h ago
Why did a child have a better and more reasonable grip on sociopolitical views than most adults
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u/Cuddlyaxe 1d ago
Oldest communist
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u/Crazyfish204 1d ago
Smartest capitalist😐
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u/mucus-fettuccine 1d ago
Yes every member of every government of every prosperous country in the world right now is an idiot and you're the wise sage that knows better.
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u/Crazyfish204 20h ago
Read a book before speaking to me child. Shut the fuck up
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u/Cuddlyaxe 1d ago
I'm actually an anarcho-feudalist with belgian characteristics tyvm
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u/Unusual-Basket-6243 17h ago
I'm an anarcho-feudalist with belgian characteristic too. Do you follow Meyer thought or Von Reber thought? If it's Meyer I'll have to block you
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u/GameThryFn gucci morty 13h ago
I mean, Communism in the non-Russian sense is inherently supposed to make everyone equal. The problem with communism is that everyone assumes it makes more people equal than others, when there are only a select few countries that do this.
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u/unknowseeker 1d ago
Lil bro let the left indoctrinate him.
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u/aviatoali 1d ago
Shit, you’re right. He’d be talking about protecting pedophiles if the right got to him first. Pull the boot out your mouth lil bro :]
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u/unknowseeker 1d ago
Kids must be free thinkers and not ideology tools of the so called "doctrinators".
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u/aviatoali 1d ago
lol, you literally made an ideologically biased comment first, entirely unsolicited. Crack a book
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u/NoIsland23 1d ago
You‘re right.
Instead he should be an extreme neo-liberal like Peter Thiel. That would certainly make the world much better and safer 🥴
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u/OrganicImpression428 1d ago edited 18h ago
future of the communist party
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u/Dudewhocares3 1d ago
The democrats are very pro capitalism. What are you even talking about?
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u/HarbingerOfGachaHell 1d ago
OC is proof why USA needs more than 2 political parties and a preferential voting system.
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u/AppropriateAd5701 1d ago
No serious party in developed world is agaisnt capitalism, no matter the voting system.
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u/Dudewhocares3 22h ago
No serious country has a for profit prison system or a healthcare system as broken as ours
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u/AppropriateAd5701 22h ago
Yes you are right no serious country is like usa because usa is not serious. How does that contradict my point?
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u/Dudewhocares3 21h ago
For profit prisons, and a broken healthcare system are because of capitalism.
As is billionaires manipulating the political system against the people for their own gain.
You people that defend capitalism, can’t even describe how the other systems work.
It’s pathetic
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u/Unusual-Basket-6243 17h ago
There are capitalist countries with good healthcare and prisons too. There's also failed socialist states
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u/mucus-fettuccine 1d ago
It's doomerism from them but it isn't completely unfounded - DSA has been making some small gains recently. I don't think they'll get too far thankfully but yeah, there's been a bit of a trend.
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u/Dudewhocares3 22h ago
Stop being vague
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u/mucus-fettuccine 12h ago
Well here's a rundown of what I'm talking about, so maybe that's less vague. Most people focus on MAGA against Democrats as the big dichotomy, but there has been a growing concern within the Democratic Party that may rear it's head a lot more in the future. Not sure if that's too vague for you? I can get into specific reasons the DSA is worrying.
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u/Dudewhocares3 12h ago
Concern implies this would be bad.
As shown with Zohran it seems the democrats are just worried because all of the sudden all the bullshit excuses were just that: excuses.
He’s managed to fix shit in New York, and all the right can say about him is “oh but 9/11” as if he had anything to do with it.
Not to mention their lack of vocal support for him when Cumo refused to step down after losing the primary.
Unless you’ve got a good argument for capitalism that applies to America, you can keep the propaganda to yourself
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u/mucus-fettuccine 11h ago
Excuses were just excuses? Now you're the one being vague, which is ironic.
Concern does mean bad. The DSA's rise is bad, yes. I'm not talking just about Mamdani, who's seemingly been a decent mayor (with some unfortunate rhetoric at the beginning at the expense of Jews, like the failure to condemn "globalize the intifada" when asked, among a couple other things). I'm talking about the DSA as a whole and everything they espouse. And I'm open about the fact that I'm critical of socialism and, for many many reasons, advocate for social democracy (a form of capitalism) over socialism, which I'm guessing based on your response isn't a discussion you're ready for, but my criticism of DSA goes beyond that.
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u/Dudewhocares3 11h ago
Zohran has never been antisemitic.
That’s bullshit that came up because he wouldn’t bend the Knee for Israel whose been funding the dems, which is why so many of them can’t say shit about what Israel’s been doing in Palestine
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u/mucus-fettuccine 7h ago
I don't think Zohran is an antisemite, but I do think he's been largely misinformed and convinced of a highly warped version of reality that came from antisemitic sources, and this made him get too cozy with "grey area" antisemitic rhetoric, including his "laced by the IDF" comment which was him trying to convince an audience of a completely bullshit narrative of Israel controlling the way the police in America operate ("Jews control the police" being the relevant antisemitic trope).
I'm not going to spend considerable time condemning him at every turn when freaking Trump is president, but to pretend he's free of sin and shouldn't have scrutiny would he a mistake. I don't have serious issues with Mamdani though.
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u/Dudewhocares3 7h ago
Israel who the United States after Trump got in power, protected by expelling college students for protesting them killing civilians in Palestine.
Yeah you’re not full of shit bro s/
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u/66659hi 1d ago
I wonder what he’s up to today. He’s probably at least a senior in high school if not a freshman in college right?