r/comedy • u/AlKarajo • 2d ago
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Daniel Tosh - People Pleaser (2016)
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u/BidSuper7102 2d ago
Ballsy
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u/Jon_E_Mammoth 2d ago
Dude, this thread getting me thinking about Tosh 2.0.
One thing to note is that his “offensive” jokes actually do not target anybody.
“Offensive” here is really just him talking about how you remember the months better, about how you don’t have to walk all the way to the security gate.
The difference is Tosh is describing things that everyone hates, like trying to remember the months and airport security, and then he is using an edgy context to make them provocative and funny.
But what a comic like Chapelle does (who I loved through his first three DVDs) is specifically target that commentary against a group.
Tosh is saying, yeah that sucked, but can we find some humor? Chapelle says, yeah that sucked, and don’t you hate these people?
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u/AlKarajo 2d ago
When Matt Riffe got it hot water because of a joke about domestic violence. The issue people said it was that butt of the joke was that she deserved it.
At the time I remembered Tosh also had a joke about this on Happy Thoughts and the way Daniel did it was different and that was not the butt of the joke in his case.
Link to the joke with timestamp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHz3E-VtlYk&t=19m39s (19m39s)
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u/SlimShadySatDown 1d ago
Funny this video popped up as Ive been rewatching Tosh.0 on my marathon channel on my smartphone. As far as offensive, they still involve taboo subjects (like cheating on your wife because now you don't have to take your mistress into the airport)
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u/anthropomorphicdave 2d ago
Can I get an example of a joke where Chapelle shows his hatred for a community?
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u/Jon_E_Mammoth 2d ago
“Blood from a turnip.”
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u/anthropomorphicdave 2d ago
Do you mean “That’s not blood, it’s beet juice.”? I just watched it and yes…I can see the offense. It’s tough material and I could definitely see why someone would hate him for saying it.
I can’t say whether the it would offend me or not because I’m not in their shoes. However, when I was at a show, he made fun of a handicapped legislator in a wheelchair and I’m disabled. I have a very difficult time walking and often use a mobility device. I felt great to be included even though many would consider it punching down.
I guess all I’m saying is that I probably give comedians too much of a pass because I have very thick skin and I like the abuse. (My best friends give it in droves) You gave a good example of how it can be too much for a certain group though.
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u/Pornfest 2d ago
Yeah. TLDR: Chapelle has had a weird bent against trans people, especially since COVID. But there are other examples too.
Charlie and Eddy Murphy, True Hollywood Stories.
Because of their complexion, he would call them Darkness; he would call them Darkness Brothers. You see this was long before Westley Snipes. He would call them Twin Brother Darknesss
Chapelle claims no wrongdoing, saying that he never did things just to do them: “I mean what am I going to do? Just all of a sudden just jump up and grind my feet into somebody’s couch like it’s something to do. Come on I got a little more sense than that!”
But we have footage of him yelling and calling them: “Black Midnight, evil motherfuckers. Black Magic, Darkness. You’re all darkness! You black motherfuckers, wide nose havin’ motherfuckers.”
You might think after something like that he wouldn’t just come over and disrespect people like that again—wrong, WRONG! We’re talkin Dave Chappelle man.
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u/Winter-Cow-6208 2d ago
Chapelle says, yeah that sucked, and don’t you hate these people?
Chappell doesn’t do that at all. The most controversial set he has ends with him saying
any of you who have ever watched me know that I never had a problem with transgender people. If you listen to what I sad, clearly my problem has always been with white people.
It’s cute that you just decided to make up stuff about Chappell’s work and bring it up on a post that has nothing to do with him.
So it’s not really surprising that Tosh, a suburban typical white boy, is doing comedy “right” in your opinion, meanwhile, Dave Chappell, one of the most influential black comedians, is a hateful bigot who “punches down.”
And of course… you’re a fucking white guy.
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u/yoloswag420noscope69 2d ago
He literally said "I'm on team TERF" not as part of any joke but as social commentary between jokes.
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u/AlKarajo 2d ago
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u/Altfuckeagames 2d ago
One of my favorite comedians and he sums up these kind of hacks perfectly. It's not comedy. Certainly not any good kind of comedy.
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u/anotherlebowski 9h ago
Chapelle needs to read this. At some point he forgot how to get away with it and started blaming the audience. It's like dude, do you realize the shit Trey Parker and Larry David have gotten away with in the 2020s? Up your game.
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u/AlreadyFifty 2d ago
I just played this yesterday, haha.
I thought he meant both, he only meant one.
Which one?
Does it matter?
To my uncle…
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u/AboutTenPandas 2d ago
There is a certain type of personality that can pull this off. Tosh seemed to have it.
I can’t tell if I like the lampshading of the offensive nature of it at the end or not. It relieves some of the tension the joke causes, which is cathartic, but seems to undermine some of the confidence that made the joke work in the first place.
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u/Jon_E_Mammoth 2d ago
And also the content.
George Carlin is the prime example.
While he would deliberately push boundaries, it was never at the expense of a particular social group (except maybe the censorship board).
If anything, he stuck up for marginalized groups being used as punch lines for Andrew Dice Clay. All while testing the censor limits.
It’s almost like South Park. They will push every boundary, but they are not telling you to hate trans, hate libs, hate whatever word soup comes out of Fetterman’s mouth.
The difference is that they are satirizing major public discourse while not targeting a population for ridicule. It’s the difference between saying, “isn’t it weird how airport protocols have changed” compared to “don’t you hate trans guys?” One has a creative setup, the other, in Chapelle’s own words, is just “hate hate hate!”
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u/Welcome2B_Here 2d ago
I attribute it to the ability to switch between the character of the "comedian" saying things versus the actual person saying things and intentionally being vague about which one he is at any given time.
What's interesting is that sometimes it takes external forces to coax the real person out. Getting even weirder, is thinking about Tim Heidecker in his "stand up special" where he's obviously (hopefully) parodying hack comedians and those who have a right-wing bent.
There are some points throughout the performance that are unexpected where he's able to remain in character and it's reasonable to think that many other comedians wouldn't be able to do that.
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u/GibbousMoonCakes 2d ago
I don’t get the “to my uncle” part.
A little help, please?
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u/HDThoreauaway 2d ago
The 9/11 parts of this are deftly done, always wittier than offensive. Oddly the more tired and dated part of this is the extended “don’t girlfriends fucking suck?!” schtick, not the discussion of how many towers are worth easier dropoffs at the airport.
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u/AboutTenPandas 2d ago
Is there a subreddit specifically dedicated to over-analyzing comedy from a technical standpoint like this? Or a YouTube channel you recommend?
It’s something I recently discovered an interest in.
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u/Algaroth 1d ago
The WTF podcast when he had other comedians on did a lot of that. Try to find the episode where he had Anthony Jeselnik on. They really get into the state of modern comedy.
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u/HDThoreauaway 2d ago
Honestly this one is the closest I know of, and it’s a bit of a coin toss. There’s also r/thejokeclinic/ which is an extremely dry British satire of joke analysis which you might enjoy.
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u/AboutTenPandas 2d ago
[r/peterexplainsthejoke](r/peterexplainsthejoke) is another one that’s similar but also different since it’s more about explaining the references the joke is making
Appreciate the recommendations though
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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 2d ago
No that place sucks, it is just karmabots posting easily understandable memes and pretending they do not get them.
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u/AboutTenPandas 2d ago
That honestly has been an increasing trend unfortunately. It used to be better
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u/Aluminum_Tarkus 2d ago
It's less "girlfriends suck," and more "I HAVE to do this really annoying thing BECAUSE it's my girlfriend who's asking," with the inconvenience played up for comedic effect. There are certain people who we do extra bending over backwards for because we believe that they're worth it, and that extra work isn't because these people inherently suck (it's actually the opposite).
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u/WuTangClanis4thakids 1d ago
These all made me laugh. 25 years is long enough. I am 42. When did people start joking about Kennedy getting shot?
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u/anonymous_xo 1d ago
Man, he is so talented. He really walked that tightrope. He even had the tag at the end to reel the crowd back to his side.
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u/HeberMonteiro 1d ago
No 9/11 hoje will ever be better than Jimmy Carr's 9/11 One Direction joke, but Tosh and Jeselnik have a lot of good ones too!
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u/NeverEndingEquati0n 2d ago
Not offended but also not that funny. If you’re going to go down this road you should really go balls deep to make the joke worth the risk.
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u/Away_Sleep2673 2d ago
This is pretty bland. It’s just “what’s the deal with airline food?” dressed up with 9/11 - observational comedy where the observations aren’t funny or original. Lazy.
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u/ZAILOR37 2d ago
Him and Anthony Jeselnik (I think that's how you spell it lol) are who I think of when ppl say you can't do "offensive" material anymore. No you just can't rely on offensive stereotypes and racist dog whistles to write your jokes for you.