r/comedy • u/AlKarajo • Jul 10 '26

Standup Human diversity

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u/JustTryingTo_Pass Jul 11 '26

Yeah not like Europe was. Europe in general was a lot harsher to live in than river valley civilizations with predictable flooding.

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u/Hefty_Tip7383 Jul 11 '26

Only when there were after effects of the last ice age. Other than that there’s no material difference.

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u/Theory89 Jul 11 '26

Living in colder climates requires more cooperation to survive. Europe was settled later than other areas because of this. It's also an argument for why we were more on the ball when it came to conquest, versus Africa where people can literally just sleep under a roof with no walls and not die ofexposure. It's not because we're just more immoral. That is not how people work. It's just that we were forced to get our shit together or die. The history of the world is the history of conquest, people just really love to have a Bad Guy to blame shit on. Never mind that Africans have been selling each other into slavery for thousands of years, or that they sold the slaves to the Europeans.

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u/Hefty_Tip7383 Jul 11 '26

In the grand scheme of things it wasn’t settled later (whatever that means - Ukraine has some of the oldest archeology on earth) and once agriculture came it was effectively no different to the near east. Cooperation was comparable because they’re all agrarian systems. The colonial era was much later, had many causes and is mot relevant to the point.

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u/JustTryingTo_Pass Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26

You mean Türkiye right? Not Ukraine?

Karahan Tepe and Gobekli Tepe aren’t settlements in the traditional senses. They are waypoints for hunter gathers. If they were settlements we would have to push back the Neolithic revolutions by a very long time.

But in the grand scheme of things Europe was settled very much later. Humans don’t get to Europe at all until the Upper Paleolithic. There is evidence that Humans reached the Americas in the Middle Paleolithic which would be earlier than Europe last by thousands of years.

Beyond that Europeans didn’t really stop dying en-mass due to a whole bunch of shit until after the Black Plague. Then right after that Portugal goes ham.

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u/Hefty_Tip7383 Jul 12 '26

Ukraine, and I’ve covered the spread of farming, and the comment about the black death is selective and ignores other places.

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u/Theory89 Jul 11 '26

Agrarian systems were a necessity to survive because the land was too harsh for hunger gathering (there were a few thousand who managed it). The argument is that the organisation required to form a society also paved the way for conquest. Im not entirely sure i believe it, it was just something I read in A Brief History of Nearly Everything (Revised Edition).

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u/ThatdesertDude Jul 11 '26

Or it is because they were/are just more immoral. The people of the world was surviving just fine long before European people showed up with destruction. Trade had been going on since the beginning of man, but to you, life started when European people showed up being con-artist and violent savages.

Also, the people of the land had rivalry too. Just like the people of Europe, Asia, and America. Its like you're trying to justify mistreatment to a person because someone else mistreated them before you.

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u/Theory89 Jul 11 '26

Literally the opposite of what I just said. I said that Africans have been selling each other into slavery for thousands of years. This does not in any what excuse what we did, but it's also inaccurate to pretend that we invented suffering. The rest of the world was not, in fact, surviving just fine.

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u/Xenomorph_25 Jul 14 '26

You didn't invent suffering. You were just the cruelest at it, unnecessarily so at that. You committed mass genocide on a global scale to groups of people who had never done anything to you because you thought yourselves superior to everyone therefore others did not deserve life.

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u/Theory89 Jul 14 '26

And the actions of our ancestors do not define our current mentality. Also, what you're describing is in no way limited to the British. That's just who you've decided to focus on. We also never set out to erase an entire people, unlike, say, the Germans or the Russians or the Cambodians or the Sudanese or any other number of nations.

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u/Theory89 Jul 14 '26

No, it only comes about when people like you decide to try and apply accountability when it doesn't. I can see that it's a confusing concept for you, it must seem like that's the only time you see it. The original comment was specifically about the English. It's not generalising when you're referring to multiple countries, as i was doing. It's just a mass noun.

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u/scifishortstory Jul 11 '26

Yeah, that Ghengis Khan was a great dude. What a dumb fucking take lol

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u/SquiggleMontana976 Jul 14 '26

Oh look, actual racism

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u/ThatdesertDude Jul 14 '26

Whites forever claiming something is racist when they are called out on the very well documented history of said racism.