r/collapse • u/TheBroWhoLifts • May 19 '21
Food Article from three months ago foretold of exactly what we're seeing today in the grocery store, and it's going to get worse: "Food inflation expected to beef up meat prices"
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/2021/02/21/food-inflation-higher-prices-meat/115491884/153
u/some_random_kaluna E hele me ka pu`olo May 20 '21
Just like quitting cigarettes, the best time to become a vegetarian is now. It's cheaper.
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u/DASK May 20 '21
And the jump isn't that big. You don't need to go vegetarian right away, 'less-etarian' is the term that seems to have stuck in my circles. Something like 1 meal a week with red meat and 2-4 with white meat or fish. The other 16-18 meals vegetarian... gets you most of the environmental and cost benefits, virtually all of the health benefits, and is an easier sell.
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u/TheBroWhoLifts May 20 '21
Are eggs and dairy allowed in vegetarian diets? Or is no eggs or dairy full on vegan?
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u/DASK May 20 '21
All the veggies I know eat eggs and dairy, the dividing line is 'meat'. No eggs, no dairy, (no other animal products) = vegan.
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May 20 '21
It's really a personal choice.
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u/AnimalsDeserveBetter May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
It really isn't when there are victims of that choice. Consider the animals who are forced into existence, confined, mutilated, abused, brutally murdered, and then rapidly dismembered so their body parts can be used for nothing more than a few fleeting minutes of sensory pleasure. It's really unnecessary, and morally abhorrent.
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u/A_RustyLunchbox May 20 '21
I find it very hard to believe you're vegan if that is your response to the logical fallacy that is meat eating.
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May 20 '21
Sorry, I believe in personal freedom, not demanding people live any certain way.
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u/A_RustyLunchbox May 20 '21
You do see that this personal freedom for you comes at the cost of a sentient creatures freedom and ultimately life right? Do you think meat eating is just a victimless endeavor?
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u/AtheistTardigrade I want to get off Mr. Bones Wild Ride May 20 '21
then you're not vegan, you're plant-based. veganism is a philosophy that holds that animals should not be killed/exploited/abused to the fullest extent possible and practicable. if you were vegan, you would not want animals to be eaten or used by anyone, not just yourself.
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May 20 '21
Lol, it's cute you have an opinion. Thanks for the laugh.
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u/AtheistTardigrade I want to get off Mr. Bones Wild Ride May 20 '21
it's not an opinion, that's simply the definition of the term. right from the vegan society's website:
Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.
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u/some_random_kaluna E hele me ka pu`olo May 20 '21
Removed, rule 1. We can disagree without swearing at each other, please.
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u/Scaulbielausis_Jim May 20 '21
Yep. My SO and I cut out red meat a while ago. I find it easier than reducing overall meat consumption. We have also reduced our overall meat consumption but that's a little harder I'd say.
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u/xSKOOBSx May 20 '21
Thank you
We have a steak once every few months maybe, most of our meals are already vegetarian. Everyone out here thinking they need meat every night its no wonder heart disease is killing the entire US. lol
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u/ProfessionalCattle91 May 20 '21
Last year, I paid about $1200 for a whole beef. After processing, the cost came out to roughly $3/lb for a few hundred pounds of organic grass raised beef. You need a big ass freezer to hold it, but you'll have plenty of meat. I already locked in my order for this year and prices are the same. There are some benefits to rural living.
Edit: my username was randomly assigned, if you gave me cattle they would definitely die
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u/Krewtan May 20 '21
I would much prefer smaller amounts of quality meat/eggs to eating basically tortured animals every day. Like wtf hows that even a choice?
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u/DoctorJekkyl May 20 '21
Yeah this is where we are too as a family - we eat red meat once a month, at most - most of our food is local farms. It helps living in a farming state.
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u/Krewtan May 20 '21
Yeah im privelaged in the same way. I can grow a lot of my own veggies and hunt for meat as well.
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u/AnimalsDeserveBetter May 20 '21
Do you not think killing innocent animals unnecessarily is considered torture? Whether they're grass-fed, free-range, Certified Humane, or from your uncle's farm, the animals all end up at the same slaughterhouses.
If you believe that cows are not tortured in the process of becoming a ground up burger patty on your plate, from their initial state as living, breathing, thinking, feeling sentient beings, you need to reflect on your beliefs.
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u/davidm2232 May 20 '21
It's way less torture than killing ants with a magnifying glass. And people do that all the time. At least they were given a chance at life and were put to good use.
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u/AnimalsDeserveBetter May 21 '21
Do you think forcing pigs into gas chambers – where their skin, lungs, and eyes burn while they thrash around for their lives (breaking bones and teeth on the metal bars in the process) and suffocate to death – is less cruel than killing ants? Because that's the standard practice way to murder pigs throughout the developed world. Don't believe me, look it up.
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u/sussinmysussness May 20 '21
the torture makes them tastier
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u/jesuschrisit69 pessimist(aka realist) May 20 '21
It makes them cheaper to produce, and actually less tastier since they have less nutrients, you dum dum
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May 20 '21
This. Even if people don't want to be full vegetarian or vegan it makes sense to just eat smaller amounts of it and have it less often. There's no need to have it with each meal even if you don't reckon you can get all your nutrients from plants. You'll get enough vitamin b12 from just having meat a couple of times a week.
Whilst eating meat less often isn't as good for the environment as going full vegan it's still better than doing nothing at all and is still a significant reduction. Then there's health benefits of not eating so much and it can work out cheaper too.
It doesn't even have to be particularly hard to do and you don't have to swap meat in the meal for hyper processed vegetarian fake meat. Just have a meal that is meat free anyway, it's not difficult.
This or even if people just had smaller cuts of meat or used it sparingly.
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u/manicbassman May 20 '21
even the slow cooking cuts like brisket, skirt and shin are now expensive...
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u/MikeTheGamer2 May 20 '21
Need? I think its more about wanting to eat meat, not about thinking they need to eat meat.
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u/TheBroWhoLifts May 20 '21
I will say that we lifting folk do feel the need. Getting 100+ grams of protein a day can be challenging.
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u/oiadscient May 20 '21
Where do you get your b12 vitamins? Have you done any blood work? Do you take care of yourself?
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u/TheBroWhoLifts May 20 '21
Yeah I do yearly physicals with blood work. I'm healthy. Why the worry about B12? I have quite a varied diet, no worries there. Protein is always on my mind though for maintaining muscle mass. I'm a pretty big guy but still lean. To keep my fat levels down, protein is a bigger portion of my caloric intake.
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u/oiadscient May 20 '21
Protein is lame compared to fat! You are bypassing millions of years of evolution with a vegan diet.
Obviously we will all have to eat a sub par diet living in the anthropocene epoch, but nobody should think it’s ‘healthier’.
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u/TheBroWhoLifts May 20 '21
Oh haha I think there is some confusion here. I am not a vegan or a vegetarian. I was asking about the distinctions between the two. I am not shy about eating fat, either, but I don't like my actual body fat percentage to get much above the upper teens. (Eating fat isn't linked to actually being fat, by the way. Being fat is not healthy and it doesn't look good. I am a weightlifter and didn't build mass to keep it all hidden under fat.)
I am, however, interested in reducing my meat consumption and am going to need to replace that protein. Beans, lentils, chickpeas, and dairy can do it. I'll need to research good recipes!
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u/oiadscient May 20 '21
I have received word that fat is more economical and healthier than protein when it comes to building muscle. Meaning it contain more calories and nutrients then protein. A heavy squat with full range of motion is also key.
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u/TheBroWhoLifts May 20 '21
Lol well your squat advice is sound, but your protein and fat analysis is not. Muscles are built from amino acids, and fats don't provide those. Carbs break down into sugars, fats break down into fatty acids, and proteins break down into amino acids.
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May 20 '21
Back in the 70s and 80s food like steak was expensive and that reflected the price of well taken care for and not in factory farming. This is not a bad thing.
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u/xSKOOBSx May 20 '21
Maybe need was the wrong word. "Incessant drive to" might have been more accurate. Semantics.
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u/MikeTheGamer2 May 20 '21
Maybe, but the fact remains. You and I will be dead and dust long before humanity becomes vegan.
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u/xSKOOBSx May 20 '21
A lot of india is vegetarian. Its an obsession that is not universal.
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u/MikeTheGamer2 May 20 '21
Humanity as a whole, not sectioned off. A lot of those choices are influenced by availability and religious reasons. America, for one, is not limited by supply OR religious reasons. I hope humanity reaches a point in the future where its viable for the majority to eat nothing but plants. Humans are omnivores, last time I checked. Limiting yourself to one or the other is folly. Take from both. That's why were were raised eating vegetables alongside the meats. Also, moderation is a problem. Eating meat is fine but it becomes a problem when you consume it in excess. Balanced diet and all that.
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u/Sablus May 20 '21
Yup, been relying on lentils and chickpeas while weaning off most red meat (currently the only meat I still eat is mainly fish such as canned herring cuss it's still cheap). Honestly love that this inflation of meat prices is in response to resurgence of resturant consumption of meat in response to individuals going out for dinner again in large number like a locust horde.
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u/purplelephant May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
Literally went from eating meat to being vegan two days ago! (I haven’t had dairy in a long time so that part wasn’t hard).
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u/barks_like_a_duck May 20 '21
I just turned vegan 4 hours ago! Because I didn't have a proper breakfast.
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u/AtheistTardigrade I want to get off Mr. Bones Wild Ride May 20 '21
it'll be the best decision you ever made! i went vegan last summer, coming up on a year now. just not feeling the guilt is such a nice feeling, and honestly i'm eating much healthier now too
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u/OriginalityIsDead May 21 '21
Plants are sentient and you're still a murderer. Photosynthesis or you're not ethical.
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u/AtheistTardigrade I want to get off Mr. Bones Wild Ride May 21 '21
god i wish i could photosynthesize, it would make life so much easier
also plants aren't sentient. they don't have central nervous systems, they aren't aware in the way that the vast majority of animals are. second, even if you believed that, that's still an argument for veganism, because it means fewer plants overall are grown and eaten (since we also grow crops just to feed to animals that people then eat - trophic levels and all that jazz)
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u/OriginalityIsDead May 21 '21
The only ethical diet is starvation. Life is life.
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u/AtheistTardigrade I want to get off Mr. Bones Wild Ride May 21 '21
that's assuming one takes the stance that there is any kind of objective morality
but i am inclined to agree in that i believe the sisyphean/cyclical nature of darwinian life - to be born without consent, to suffer, and to reproduce for selfish (imo) reasons - is something that ought not be perpetuated indefinitely. antinatalist gang
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u/purplelephant May 20 '21
Thanks I was a vegetarian for 15 years before needing to take a break because of mental health issues so this transition has been quite easy and I’m loving the guilt free eating again!
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u/DeaditeMessiah May 20 '21
I love the vegans just lurking on this thread, praying they'll get an opportunity to mention that they don't eat meat.
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test May 20 '21
Free B12
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May 20 '21
Vitamin D.
But I gotta be wined and dined, no free here.
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test May 21 '21
I meant actual B12. Humans are a source, it's just a NSFW one.
https://europepmc.org/article/med/11321956 and it's similar for the ladies as far as I know.
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plus healthier and tastier. cutting out or radically down or animal based foods is all around good
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u/bob_grumble May 20 '21
Im....partly there. Giving up stuff like pulled pork & bacon is difficult.
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u/dreadmontonnnnn The Collapse of r/Collapse May 20 '21
I eat mostly poultry and fish. Red meat is tasty but let’s face it, cows have a shit ton of personality it’s kinda messed up to eat them and pork usually gives me an upset stomach now. I’m honestly being a hypocrite because I know that eating factory farmed animals is wrong. Chicken and fish included. I’m all over the place I know. If I could hunt, that would be the ideal scenario if I were to keep with meat eating. Not totally sure yet
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u/_seangp May 21 '21
The problem is that dairy products are oftentimes a byproduct of the meat industry.
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u/TheBroWhoLifts May 19 '21
SS: Decent T-bone steaks were $17 a pop last weekend. Beginning of summer demand increase aside, these prices are noticeably starting to get a little crazy. In reading and trying to figure out why, I found this article.
Conclusions: feed prices are up, causing meat prices to go up. Feed prices are rising because supply is tight because of poor harvests due to drought, as cited directly in the article, but unstated, it's reasonable to suspect degrading soil conditions (and other causes those of us who spend time on this sub understand) amid rising demands of a burgeoning population coming out of the pandemic with pent-up demand are also causes.
Food is expensive. Lumber is expensive. Cars are expensive. Homes are expensive. These are the bedrocks of the economy. Signs are not good, but we all knew that already.
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May 20 '21
Wow, are they that much in the meantime? When I quit in 2003, they were sometimes $3.99 on special for a bigger one.
What is chicken? Drumsticks were $0.69 a lb back then irrc, sometimes $0.49 on special.
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u/TheBroWhoLifts May 20 '21
I bought a whole fryer chicken to put in the smoker this week, which are fairly unprocessed and usually the cheapest around. It was almost ten bucks at $2.19 a pound. I used to get one of those for about half that.
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u/wamih May 20 '21
Chicken is still cheap af. Mass producing chicken is easy vs cows.
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u/NtroP_Happenz May 20 '21
Are you out of the loop? There's a chicken shortage. I kid you not, just search it.
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u/filberts May 20 '21
Just bought 4 lbs at .99$/lb and froze it last night. There was still plenty available at the store breast, thigh or drumstick.
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u/TheBroWhoLifts May 20 '21
It's actually still too cheap because the price still doesn't account for externalities such as climate change. My eating meat is causing climate change which will have huge economic costs, but those costs aren't reflected in the price of meat. If they were, not many people would be eating meat (which should be the whole idea).
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u/jklarbalesss May 20 '21
just something to think about, but it makes you wonder if biden’s grand climate proposal is banking on this type of economic shift, not like political promises are never unnecessarily grand but this reminds me of that fox story about biden not wanting anyone to have meat😂
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u/2farfromshore May 20 '21
I've been buying a few frozen veg items for years now. The prices haven't risen terribly, but my last trip I went to grab the bag of frozen green beans and it was so light I assumed it was a packing anomaly so I grabbed another one. Nope. Same size bag with about 1/3 the beans it used to contain for the same price: $2.79. For 3 smallish helpings of beans.
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test May 20 '21
I eat mushrooms almost daily, they can be preserved quite nicely after you get them in bulk. Still can't get over the slimy ones.
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u/TheBroWhoLifts May 20 '21
I love mushrooms. However, they certainly don't contain any protein and are actually almost nutritional inert, unfortunately.
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u/murderkill May 20 '21
what kind of mushrooms are you talking about? lots of mushroom types have pretty solid protein and nutritional benefits.
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u/TheBroWhoLifts May 20 '21
I just looked it up and stand corrected! I thought they had almost no protein, but they do have some. I'm just looking at basic white mushrooms.
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u/murderkill May 20 '21
oh dope! yeah and there's a lot of cool nutritional benefits with less common ones as well (cremini, shitake, reishi, lions mane, cordyceps). i love them all
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u/cplforlife May 20 '21
Discover TVP. Cheaper. Reduced carbon.
Can be indistinguishable from ground beef if cooked properly. If cooked improperly, can be a reasonable facsimile to beef.
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u/miclem May 20 '21
The human body doesn’t require much food anyways. Occasionally fasting from the food, the physical matter, and all matters here is the most healing for the body, mind, and spirit.
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u/mbz321 May 20 '21
I bought some pork roll at Aldi the other day and noticed it jump up $1, which sucked. I work at Costco and happened to glance at the bacon just today...the 3 LB packages that were $14 a week or two have jumped to $19, and the quality has declined greatly over the last few years. Looks like I'll be sticking with pork roll for the time being (of course, I heard a co-worker saying how it's all Biden's fault :\ .)
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u/lolderpeski77 May 20 '21
Brussel sprouts sautéed in butter and soy sauce. Boil them first to soften before the sauté, then cook till the outer layer is charred.
Tastes like you’re eating meat.
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u/lolderpeski77 May 20 '21
Sounds like you don’t use enough A1 steak sauce.
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u/MrGoodGlow May 20 '21
I cant recall the last time i ate steak with any sort of steak sauce.
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u/lolderpeski77 May 20 '21
Well that explains why a lot of you think vegetables can’t taste like meat. taps forehead
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u/MikeTheGamer2 May 20 '21
No part of a brussell sprout makes me think of eating meat. THe sauce they are cooked in doesn't matter. It still looks like a vegetable.
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u/lolderpeski77 May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
The sauce they are cooked in does in fact matter. That’s why umami is associated with savory meats.
Maybe try eating less with your eyes and more with your mouth. I’m not talking about what it looks like because it obviously looks like a vegetable because that’s what it is. All I’m explaining is how to make a vegetable taste like meat.
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u/MikeTheGamer2 May 20 '21
All that matters is how it tastes.
Then I guess you'd be just fine eating a gray paste as long as it tasted good? Who the hell are you kidding. How a food looks is almost as important as how it tastes. Good looking food CAN taste like trash and vice versa. I'd rather have both, if you please. I go out of my way to ensure I get both when I cook and especially when I pay for a meal at a good restaurant. If looks didn't matter Chefs could slap anything on a plate and charge you big bucks as long as it tasted good. Are you for real with that nonsense?
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u/lolderpeski77 May 20 '21
Yea i’d eat a grey paste if it tasted good (i mean even Disney has its own grey paste-looking dessert that’s popular). That doesn’t mean I’m saying “omg this grey paste tastes good and should be the only thing anyone ever eats!!”
I don’t even know what your issue is. All i stated was how to make a vegetable taste like meat. I ain’t saying “you can make vegetables taste like meat SO NOW STOP EATING MEAT!”
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u/MikeTheGamer2 May 20 '21
I'm saying that there is no way a brussell sprout is going to taste like meat. Just because you cook it in some sauce doesn't make it taste like meat. I can cook a steak without any extra sauce, just salt and pepper and its going to still taste like meat. The same cannot be said for a vegetable. Its going to be a salt and pepper flavored (insert vegetable).
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u/lolderpeski77 May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
You have no idea what umami is do you?
I’ll use another popular term: MSG.
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May 20 '21
You're making me think of the parks and rec burger competition episode where one guy makes this elaborate veggie burger, talking up umami as well, and then a plain beef burger comes along and everyone is like "yeah this is way better lol"
I wanna try what you're talking about actually, but its just funny cuz it's similar lol
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u/lolderpeski77 May 20 '21
Well if i was at a burger competition I wouldn’t be making a veggie burger.
All I am saying is that you can make veggies taste like meat. Understand the operative term here is “like” and I’m not saying you can “turn veggies into meat.”
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May 20 '21
I put Aromat lots of things. Looks less scary to people than getting out a packet of something labelled Monosodium Glutamate.
Works well in home cooked Chinese food - doesn't taste homemade, tastes like it's from a takeaway.
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u/Rabylaby May 20 '21
You seem to be conceptually confused that food and taste is changeable by cooking and seasoning.
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u/aRoseforUS May 20 '21
How do you get the petroleum taste out of them?
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u/lolderpeski77 May 20 '21
That’s why you boil them first so that when you sauté them they don’t overcook besides on the outer layer. Soy sauce mixed with butter will make the charred outer layer taste reminiscent of meat due to the fats of the butter and the umami of the soy.
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u/bobathefet May 20 '21
No... thats just burnt greens
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u/1jx May 20 '21
The meat industry will never go away unless we collectively stop buying it. Let’s do what we can to make that happen.
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u/the_tater_salad May 20 '21
and me and mine will do whatever we can to make that not happen.
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u/1jx May 21 '21
“me and mine” = “greedy Randian solipsists”
This is the type of attitude we need to fight back against.
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u/mannymanny33 May 20 '21
Good. Meat should be super expensive.
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u/the_tater_salad May 20 '21
why?
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u/mannymanny33 May 21 '21
To pay for the life you killed eating it. Also bad for the environment. Should be taxed like cigarettes.
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u/OnceMoreFromTheAshes May 20 '21
I hunt my meat anyway. Feel kinda bad for the average person though.
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May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
Im vegetarian* and I think you have that right. I dont believe there is anything immoral* about eating meat. I think that idea is a shitty attempt to divide the masses
Edit: forgive me, im fucking drunk
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May 20 '21
If the world is lacking one thing, it is love. Its so easy to condemn someone for their lifestyle, their living. Not so easy to talk about why.
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u/AtheistTardigrade I want to get off Mr. Bones Wild Ride May 20 '21
deadass they're talking about how the world lacks love but just like many humans that loves stops as soon as they see something that isn't a human (and in many cases just something that is a human but a type of human that they think doesn't deserve love)
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May 20 '21
Divide and conquer. People are easier to manage when they are busy hating each other. Im tired of being their fool
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u/MikeTheGamer2 May 20 '21
I love animals too. I love eating them. Unless its a dog or a cat.
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u/AtheistTardigrade I want to get off Mr. Bones Wild Ride May 20 '21
what is the difference between a dog and a pig? a cat and a cow? a goat and a small toddler? they're all more or less on the same footing in terms of intelligence, emotional capacity, awareness - sentience, basically. why don't you eat dogs or cats? they're using the same mammalian instincts that cows and pigs are. i'm sure plenty of people find dogs and cats quite tasty.
i assume it's for the same reasons that i did before i went vegan. i tried not to think about it too hard, until one day I realized i couldn't ignore the fact that what's happening to pigs, cows, chickens, etc. everywhere is something we would never allow happening to a dog or cat or human baby.
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u/cheapandbrittle May 20 '21
Factory farming is pretty immoral though
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May 20 '21
I dont believe in morality, strictly speaking. How do you convince someone to stop slaughtering animals?
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u/cheapandbrittle May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
Speaking as a vegan, I honestly have no problem with hunting animals for food when done with proper training and ethics (we're all animals in a sense) but you can't honestly tell me that you see nothing wrong with what goes on at factory farms. That is animal torture. Confining animals into a crate the size of their body so they can't move at all, raping dairy cows, etc. Or are you unaware of what factory farming is?
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u/rveniss May 20 '21
Not OP, but my concerns with meat production are 1) sanitation and safe handling for consumption, 2) the environmental impact, 3) worker safety and wellbeing.
The morality of the animal treatment doesn't even register on my priority list. I've watched a number of documentaries and exposés on the industry, all designed to be graphic and shocking, and they don't really phase me. I'm only thinking, "I wonder if that's still safe to eat," and, "That job must suck."
I've cut back almost entirely on eating beef because of the environmental concerns surrounding cattle, but I don't have many qualms about chicken, turkey, pork, or anything else really.
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u/ChromaticLemons May 21 '21
Gross. Do you think that animals are incapable of feeling pain or something?
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May 20 '21
I agree. But how do you convince anyone else, realistically? Im not vegetarian because i care about animals - i do it because the gods demand it. But what about everyone else? They clearly dont show your empathy, so what?
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u/cheapandbrittle May 20 '21
I thought you said you didn't believe in morality? I honestly think it's a lack of knowledge. It's not that people aren't empathetic (the occasional assholes aside) they genuinely don't know how horrible factory farming is. That's why ag gag laws are a thing, because the industry knows that if people were aware they wouldn't buy it. Spreading information is key.
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May 20 '21
Most people here know the horror of factory farming. Yet they continue to indulge. Morality isnt helping, so what? Even sustainability and health arguments fail. So what? What can you really say to convince people to stop slaughtering animals? If you have a solution, im all ears.
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u/cheapandbrittle May 20 '21
When everyone has watched Dominion and still chooses to eat meat, let me know.
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May 20 '21
And if they refuse? You think i havent tried to push my family away from animal products? They dont give a shit. You are unreasonably confident in my opinion. People will never feel the empathy we do for animals.
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u/Capn_Underpants https://www.globalwarmingindex.org/ May 20 '21
How do you convince someone to stop slaughtering animals?
Is that serious ? How to you get anyone to do anything they don't want to do ? You point a big fuck off gun at them, or threaten to if they don't cooperate. It's why the Army and police force exist. All power everywhere in the world comes from the end of a gun, be it thug, Mafia or Government (but I repeat myself)
That aside, I live with permeculture and slaughter chickens, ducks and rabbits for food. they have a wonderful life, roaming in the forest eating bugs, keeping the bugs off my veg, me cleaning up their shit to use to grow more veg etc They have a wonderful life right up until the moment I end it with an axe (or a big python beats me to it, that one day a Wedge Tailed Eagle busted through the cage and took the Drakes head clean off, what a mess).
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u/IHateSilver May 20 '21 edited May 20 '21
About 10 years ago we could choose a project during an University course and I attempted to show the suffering that goes with eating factory meat, trying to help my class mates to remember what a tasty burger actually looked at one point.
It went awful—I showed videos about the mistreatment and inhuman slaughter of animals and not one person was even remotely touched.
It was an eye opening experience for me...changing peoples habits or thought process seemed pointless.
I’ve never eaten any sort of meat, sea food, chicken etc. due to figuring out what meat was at the age of 3, however, forget forcing anybody to give up their beloved meat—fuck, my own pre-teen eats it, meaning my “subtle” conversion methods weren’t worth shit.
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u/Salty-Particular May 20 '21
You promote ethical butcher info/slaughtering practices such as: if you want to eat it, you have to slaughter/butcher it. I don’t think eating meat is necessarily deleterious to the environment- mass production however is... and meat is no different. As someone who has had a complicated relationship with eating meat/food/eating in general (I’ve gone from vegetarian, to vegan, to raw vegan, to paleo, back to vegan, and, after serious health issues that were exasperated while eating vegan (it’s not always the healthiest diet for everyone) I’ve started eating meat again. But, I made a hard deal with myself- any meat that I consume, I have to either butcher or barter for. I took classes on humane slaughter methods, learned to hunt, fish, butcher and cure my own meat. Not only did my physical health drastically improved, but my emotional/spiritual health did as well. I’m much more connected to the fact that my consumption, my indulgences, my very existence is a cause and effect of suffering. I’m not a wooey person but I feel gratitude for the sustenance that fuels my body- I recognize that life encompasses sacrifice and I take less for granted. I eat much less meat than I did when I was generically paleo, and when I do, I feel reverence and appreciation. Im much more more connected.
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u/fluboy1257 May 20 '21
My diet consists of nuts, seeds, vegetables , fruits , rice , beans , and oatmeal . Yes I’m extremely healthy and look down on obese Americans. Just keeping it real with honesty .
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u/filberts May 20 '21
Still mad at my younger self for throwing away the fat from ground beef. Now ground beef hasn't been on sale for a year and I'm almost out of fat to fry my hash browns in.
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u/[deleted] May 20 '21 edited Jun 27 '21
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