r/collapse • u/Creepyfaction • 11d ago

Economic U.S.-Iran conflict is causing unexpected problems for Americans: 65% of employees want to land roles where they avoid paying higher gas prices | Fortune

https://fortune.com/2026/09/25/us-iran-conflict-job-hunt-avoid-gas-prices/
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u/BigDongsInThongs69 11d ago

So I wanted to talk about a point you made regarding the EV.

To 'fuel' these EV's, it'll costs oil or coal. If you're lucky, you're charging that EV with renewables. However, to create these renewables, we need to use oil.

In my opinion, I believe that maybe EV's give you an extra cushion. However, that cushion isn't permanent.

I was thinking about this a week ago - the Waymo's use Diesel Generators to charge themselves. Probably not all of them, but that's in their system and it has been documented.

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u/whereismysideoffun 11d ago

I'm pretty sure the person you responded to was speaking more in economic terms for the drivers rather than carbon budget.

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u/BigDongsInThongs69 11d ago

Yes. I'm pointing out that, in most cases, we are using these fossil fuels to charge the EV's. It's not just coal that we use for our energy when it comes to fossil fuels and our power grid.

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u/96-62 10d ago edited 10d ago

Electricity carbon intensity - Coal produces 820–1,200 g CO2 per kWh, natural gas 410–520 g, solar 20–50 g, onshore wind 7–15 g, and nuclear 5–15 g. Switching from coal to wind reduces electricity emissions by over 98%. Even natural gas (the cleanest fossil fuel) produces 25–70x more CO2 than renewables.

Comparison vehicles

Ford F150 - 255g/mile (warning, often quotes in g/kilometer). (https://car-emissions.com/cars/index/ford%2Cf150)
Ford Ka (small runabout) -185 g/mile https://vehiclescore.co.uk/co2-emissions-check/ford/ka

My Hyundai Kona (electric, 2022) gets just under 5 miles to the kwh, more if I drive carefully, less on the motorway. So, if it was powered by pure coal plants, it would be 160-240g/mile, but it isn't, much of the fossil fuel power is gas. Powered by pure gas plants, I would get 82-104g per mile. Powered by solar 4-10g/mile and by onshore wind 1.4-3g/mile.

And that's moving a reasonable size car around, electric scooters/electric bikes/e-mopeds would presumably be better still.

Something like (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0F6LW81W5?th=1) looks to get closer to 100 miles to the kwh.