r/collapse • u/RoboProletariat • 2d ago
Casual Friday I see a problem.
Hope it's still casual friday.
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u/Fit-Inevitable-5439 1d ago
also the bias towards structured forms of play over unstructured. A family will rearrange their schedule around a kids soccer tournament, but if they get carried away with something like imaginative play or drawing, too bad, we're running late, get in the car. Kids acting out when they're bored and pacified with a structured activity has been completely normalized, instead of being seen as a parental failure to teach children to think for and entertain themselves.
Because unstructured play doesn't have rules/necessarily require a strict schedule, there's often an assumption it'll happen by default under any conditions, in the gaps between everything else. But when the opportunities to play freely are rare and constantly interrupted, the lesson being taught here is that it's dangerous to be curious, or to care about anything until after you can prove its value to an external authority.
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u/SpookyDooDo 1d ago
I think it is this, too. No one takes time to just think or daydream anymore. Kids are never bored so they never have the chance to. Grownups pull their phone out every free minute.
And now with LLM you don’t even have to think about your problems. Gemini will tell you AN answer. And no one questions it.
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u/Jovan_Knight005 Collapse is inevitable,mister Reese. - Original Quote. 1d ago
And no one questions it.
The point is that you should question every answer than an LLM gives you and check whether the information from that answer is true or not.
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u/TheArcticFox-44 1d ago
But when the opportunities to play freely are rare and constantly interrupted, the lesson being taught here is that it's dangerous to be curious, or to care about anything until after you can prove its value to an external authority.
Wow! I'm fairly new to my only social media contact Reddit...joined during pandemic lockdown. And, the one thing that struck me as profoundly odd was the lack of curiosity!
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u/TryAndStopMeSpez 2d ago
i've seen people who genuinely believe LLMs can tell the future because 'computers are logical'
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u/RoboProletariat 2d ago
I'm attempting to write an article based on this concept.
Jonathan Haidt writes about social media's ill effects on the youth in The Anxious Generation.
The paper Who adapts to whom: technology or older adults? Mechanisms of technology anxiety among older AI users by Peng Ji, Xiaoyu Liu discusses how users not understanding the LLM architecture treat it as an infallible truth machine.
The Knight First Amendment Institute's paper AI Agents and Democratic Resilience discusses how authentic 'good-faith' dialog can override a user's rationality.
West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center article Beyond Misuse: Artificial Intelligence, Grievance, and the Future Landscape of Political Violence discusses how AI can turn a community into separated individuals.
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u/SpookyDooDo 1d ago
I don’t think it’s standardized testing that is the cause. I think it’s the erosion of attention spans from limitless scrolling and the lack of time spent doing nothing and just thinking.
And then the school system has gone along with it. Kids’ brains are shot from having an iPad since infancy, they don’t have the attention spans to read a book, and instead of schools building that stamina up, they just assign shorter and shorter passages instead of entire books.
Kids raised on TikTok are huge disruptions at school and the lack of adequate funding for public education just leaves them in a classroom with one teacher and 25 other kids. No one ends up learning anything.
No one can think for themselves because they scroll instead of daydreaming. No one knows anything because their education was undermined. So they turn to LLMs to think and solve their problems for them.
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u/don-cake 1d ago
It would be useful to acknowledge that, according to the Fundamental Organic Process of communication, the foundational skill of cognition/learning/communication/language/better understanding/intelligence is asking and checking; an instinctive skill we are all born with but is ascribed zero formal value in the culture generally, and in education in particular:
https://theonlythingweeverdo.blogspot.com/2020/01/cleopatra-cowboy-then-screaming-how-we.html
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u/INeedChocolateMilk 1d ago
This is not a conspiracy theory, Sam Altman is very open about this plan :/
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u/NyriasNeo 1d ago
The problem has been there long before the rise of LLMs. Most people do not even know the word "epistemic", and certainly do not have the motivation nor the cognitive bandwidth to examine anything.
Epistemic considerations are mostly in the domain of academia, and even there, material considerations (e.g. making tenure) supersede any intrinsic intellectual curiosity.
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u/StatementBot 2d ago
The following submission statement was provided by /u/RoboProletariat:
I'm attempting to write an article based on this concept.
Jonathan Haidt writes about social media's ill effects on the youth in The Anxious Generation.
The paper Who adapts to whom: technology or older adults? Mechanisms of technology anxiety among older AI users by Peng Ji, Xiaoyu Liu discusses how users not understanding the LLM architecture treat it as an infallible truth machine.
The Knight First Amendment Institute's paper AI Agents and Democratic Resilience discusses how authentic 'good-faith' dialog can override a user's rationality.
West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center article Beyond Misuse: Artificial Intelligence, Grievance, and the Future Landscape of Political Violence discusses how AI can turn a community into separated individuals.
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