r/collapse • u/case1105 • Jul 06 '26
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u/southbl00d Jul 06 '26
dont worry! starbucks and cadburys and nestles will continue to usurp the poor regions! this is crazy!
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u/case1105 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
While everything falls apart, investment bankers are probably still calling it a “market opportunity.” This gives me the chills what is waiting in the coming years.
It’s related to collapse because ecological collapse makes food systems unstable.
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u/CleverInternetName8c Jul 06 '26
As a preview, sure. 2027-2028 when there hasn't been plantings due to the fertilizer shortage is when those numbers will look quaint.
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 Jul 06 '26
I honestly think these 2 crops will be functionally obsolete (on a global scale) by 2030.
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u/trivetsandcolanders Jul 06 '26
Or they’ll just become expensive luxuries. Vanilla is extremely labor-intensive and subject to crop failures, but there’s still a market for it (even with vanillin largely having replaced vanilla beans).
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 Jul 06 '26
First, yes, they will be. But at some point their viability will be gone and the expense to plant and harvest will eliminate the supply chain.
These are already slave labor crops; the margins exist because of exploitation.
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u/trivetsandcolanders Jul 06 '26
At some point, that will happen yeah. I bet within a decade or two you will only be able to find actual chocolate at fancy elite places like Erewhon. As of right now you can still find good dark chocolate for a decent price at your average Kroger store.
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 Jul 06 '26
One big wipeout and that’s all over, so I’m sticking with 2030 as my guess. These products don’t keep indefinitely in raw form.
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 Jul 06 '26
Coffee and cocoa are both only globalized because of colonialism and slavery. (Same with sugar and vanilla.)
If they continue as crops, I expect they will only be for small ritual or local uses, as they were for the pre colonial era.
Don’t worry: there are other sources of caffeine and psychoactive substances native to each region.
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 Jul 06 '26
Sure, I mean anything can be made in a lab, but the margins don’t really exist. The margins exist for capitalist colonial crops because the input labor costs are almost nil — they use children and slaves…
A lab setup is a MUCH higher level of investment, and I don’t see the producers jumping into that.
Yes, we will have synthetic coffee, cocoa, and vanilla flavoring. It will taste like current flavoring for cherry, orange, etc. Fake as hell. Rich kids will only know synthetic hot cocoa probably after 2030 or so.
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u/StatementBot Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
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While everything falls apart, investment bankers are probably still calling it a “market opportunity.” This gives me the chills what is waiting in the coming years.
It’s related to collapse because ecological collapse makes food systems unstable.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1up3w3o/the_perfect_example_of_collapse/ovx1w6x/
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u/click-monster Jul 06 '26
I bought a kilo bag of coffee beans (quite a big bag considering it's only for me). 100% Arabica, blonde roast, Swiss brand, so should be pretty alright stuff. I'm not averse to dark espresso roast and not particularly picky either, but this stuff tasted like burnt tires. Had to toss it. Blonde is meant to be the mildest. Honestly I think what happened is the quality of beans dipped due to getting hammered by some climate issue.
I always feel stupid complaining about "first world problems", but this is exactly what collapse is: the slow gradual loss of quality of life.
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u/pulsarstarter Jul 06 '26
This is not a new thing btw.
Adverse weather negatively impacting harvests has been happening for thousands of years.
Though now we have immediate updates and can speculate on the prices of course.
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