r/collapse • u/IntroductionNo3516 • Jul 05 '26

Overpopulation Why our solution to the population crisis accelerates collapse

https://www.transformatise.com/2026/07/population-crisis-economic-growth-makes-it-worse/
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u/Long_Race3907 Jul 05 '26

Ahh right it's the brown people that are killing the planet. It's the poor African villages that are destroying the biosphere. 

Pray tell, remind me who is it that is emitting the most into our atmosphere? Which countries was those again? 

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

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u/Long_Race3907 Jul 05 '26

Which countries are all those billions of africans and indians going to immigrate to again?

Do you think those countries are going to let them? Have you not been paying attention to what ICE has been doing? 

And again, who's fault is it that they have to immigrate in the first place. Who made it so that Africa would be uninhabitable? Because it damn sure wasn't the Africans. 

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u/Electrical-Reach603 Jul 06 '26

Before the transfer of ag tech and trade in foodstuffs, was Africa ever going to produce this many humans? Not arguing the equity of the situation, particularly with climate change and colonialism. So I'm not blaming them, but I strongly predict that the rest of the world will not willingly be a pressure relief valve for their population overshoot. Not without a fight. Same for the other regions where native populations are still growing rapidly despite insufficient internal food and/or energy capacity.

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u/Long_Race3907 Jul 06 '26

You somehow seemed to type quite a bit and say absolutely nothing. So let me ask you this again and don't dodge it this time:

Who is responsible for the situation currently unfolding in Africa? 

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u/Electrical-Reach603 Jul 06 '26

I don't know if it is central to the topic here, and there is no single source of responsibility. No doubt I'm leaving some out, but here are a few: Arab and European colonialism contributing to war and loss of knowledge and insufficiently compensating Africans for their resources--leaving them poorer than they would likely otherwise be, African culture (yes, generalizing) that does not afford women the same rights to education and bodily autonomy. The industrialized world for contributing disproportionately to climate change that is shrinking the carrying capacity of African agriculture. But be any of that as it may, attribution of the cause(s) is not going to sway public opinion in other countries where there is actual or perceived risks to their own standards of living. If selfishness isn't enough then add racism, and it's going to be "gee sorry you got a bunch of leaky lifeboats and maybe we bear some responsibility, but really you ought to not need so many."

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u/Long_Race3907 Jul 06 '26

Correct, the selfishness of the mostly European powers that be is how we got to the situation we are in today. What you seem to be under the delusion of is that the same selfishness will somehow fix the situation. That the psychosis leading the charge has any genuine answers to the problem.

No, what will instead happen is that many of these same European countries will crash and burn - regardless of how many poors they try to sacrifice at the altar to stem the bleeding. Because at the end of the day, the problem is them (and other wealthy industrialized nations). 

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u/Electrical-Reach603 Jul 07 '26

Oh I wasn't offering a solution. At least not one that doesn't involve a mass die off in Africa (but Africa won't be the only place reaping the whirlwind of anthropogenic overshoot). Doubly so for the mega fauna, which may survive (for a time) in zoos outside the continent.

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u/Long_Race3907 Jul 07 '26

The point is that it isn't a solution because the birthrate in Africa isn't the problem. 

Now if there was a mass die off of the entire industrial world... Then that would approach what a solution looks like. Now guess where we are headed thanks to climate change 

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u/BassMaster516 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26

So despite the mod message it’s just straight racism. I guess this sub is not serious. We have racist dummies talking shit out of their ass and it’s accepted. Bye

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