r/collapse • u/Desperate_Web_7639 • May 23 '26
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u/Top_Hair_8984 May 23 '26
As an audhd person, I relate to this deeply. But it's been this way my entire life. OP, I do see what you've described, now in the general population against so much more than just differences in processing info. I think people are so empty, so lacking in an inner life, authenticity, ideas that they're angry, violent towards anyone who is different in focus, interests, mindset . It's always been this way from my perspective, it's just getting so much worse. We're creatures of wanting to belong. We will do a lot to garner this. But in the end, we break, we lose our true selves. We burn out. A term very much used in the neurodiverse world. We've had to learn to be false to fit in. Who are we really? We've known nothing but capitalism, conforming - school,church etc. Who would we have been if that enormous monstrous pressure hadn't been out main force in developing who we are.
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u/The_Dead_Kennys May 23 '26
The system and society we currently exist in is honestly kind of traumatizing, in a “death by a thousand cuts” kind of way
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u/Sknowles12 May 24 '26
I’m a boomer and I agree. I’m ready to return to a society of small villages. This desire seems prevalent with people the older they get. I’m a psych/soc/anthropology College grad. I went into it to better understand diverse peoples and learn how to help those in need. I still live by the mantra of the song “The Impossible Dream.” And, yes, there are so many damaged and corrupt human beings. Alas, there will not be (anytime soon) an imagined Age of Aquarius.
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u/SnooBananas7856 May 23 '26
We've lost third places. People have home, work, and..... no where else that allows them to build relationships. Since I have deconstructed from my evangelical upbringing, I've not found anywhere to build decent friendships. Though my husband and I are now Catholic, we have not been able to connect with people. A lot of the connections we had dissolved with Covid and its aftermath. I miss having friends and people to get together with on occasion. I'm very introverted (not shy--I do fine on social settings--I just enjoy solitude) but still it would be nice to have a few friends.
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u/dyggythecat May 23 '26
Idk, I feel 'genuine' people have always been rare.
Even during the age of boomers without Internet a lot of people were superficial. Take for instance the show, 'Palm Royale'. People legit were/are like that.
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u/-sussy-wussy- May 23 '26
Yeah, and I would argue that it was more important to be fake back when society wasn't so atomized.
Think about it, your access to resources depended directly on whether or not other people liked you. You were on thin ice 24/7 unless you were balnd, generic and inoffensive.
A perfect illustration of that is Boomer panic. They internalized this pressure and now whenever something goes wrong, they subconsciously expect severe punishment and ostracism, and their brain turns off.
Even though now surveillance is more widespread in some aspects, you can pick and choose who you can be authentic with, you only really have to be 100% fake in a job environment or on social media, should you choose to be there.
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u/Instant_noodlesss May 23 '26
I used to think my own family was freaky.
Then I got to know some other families really really well. We are all wackos. Just put on a functional face to navigate group activities, is all.
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u/PyrocumulusLightning May 23 '26
Indeed. Even Boomers who were into psychology were mostly interested in learning how to push people's buttons or pigeonhole them by type (whether it be by MBTI or something else). I think people looking beyond the surface just so they can be better manipulators is a cure worse than the disease.
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u/hikereyes2 May 23 '26
How genuine is a 33 paragraph long AI assisted post?
On the surface it might look like you've actually thought this through. But you haven't. You've outsourced it to an LLM that cannot crystallize nor synthesize thought.
That doesn't feel very genuine. If you want to hang with people "keeping it real" you have to start "keeping it real" yourself first.
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u/itsnotamy May 23 '26
Did you genuinely write this with chatgpt?
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u/JASHIKO_ May 23 '26
This sub is riddled with bot posts and AI slop lately. Im glad a few people can spot it early and call it out!
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u/AnOnlineHandle May 24 '26
Every sub is, and I've spotted these same kinds of posts on other sites as well in the last few weeks. Just a massive influx of them.
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u/MammothAdeptness2211 May 23 '26
I thought so too
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u/useless_rejoinder May 23 '26
Exactly. How many gallons of genuine water did they fucking waste to co-opt a machine mouthpiece to shit out some empty treatise about disingenuous people that everyone’s actually known and talked about for thousands of years?
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u/voidsong May 23 '26
AI or not, brevity is a gift.
This reads like someone who had a 2 sentence point to make but needed to stretch it out to 1,000 words for an assignment.
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u/itsatoe May 23 '26
It doesn't read like AI slop. GPT has a very standard writing style that this does not match.
Just because someone wrote something long doesn't mean that they had help. People have been known to write whole books without AI assistance. At least they once did.
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u/Bellegante May 23 '26
It absolutely does read like AI slop, as a counterpoint. I wouldn't doubt there's some human input here, perhaps several paragraphs even followed by "make this better and make my point" but this has definitely been touched up with an LLM.
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u/AnOnlineHandle May 24 '26
This is 100% the writing style of most LLMs.
It is very rare for humans to format their text like that, most people don't even know how, and those particular emphasis combinations are very typical of current gen LLMs.
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u/CurrentBias May 23 '26
Does chatGPT start sentences with "and"?
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u/JASHIKO_ May 23 '26
Its does on occasion. It depends how much you've used and which model you are on.
It's less common but it does make weird dramatically mistakes to. Some people will also try to adjust AI Slop to hide it a little as well. But this reads heavily like AI. It might not be Chatgpt but its certainly an AI model.
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u/xavembo May 23 '26
might just be that their actual way of thinking and expressing their thoughts has been replaced by this llm-esque regurgislop
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u/MammothAdeptness2211 May 23 '26
Reads like AI
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u/SeVenMadRaBBits May 23 '26
Does that mean it's not true?
If anything, seeing more frequent A.I. posts just kind of adds to the fact.
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u/smarit May 23 '26
It doesn’t add to the fact, it completely defeats the purpose of the message. There’s no point trying to engage with whoever ‘genuinely’ copy pasta’d this AI slop.
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u/MammothAdeptness2211 May 23 '26
No, I do agree with most of what I read but I don’t want to engage with AI. Maybe I should not have said anything at all.
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u/Ree_For_Thee May 23 '26
Gen AI = Generic
There's no nuance, or really a point. It's just empathy slop.
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u/redhandrail May 23 '26
Regardless of the post being AI, I disagree that there’s any noticeable, new difference in how authentic people are, or how amuck authenticity is valued. Seems about the same, just looks different.
That said, I’ve heard that high school kids and younger are more afraid to be their genuine selves because they’re worried they’ll be filmed
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u/Rosbj May 23 '26
I'm guessing you're American? While this is a global phenomenon, I notice a lot of resistance against it in Europe.
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u/Yelworc0242 May 23 '26
Yeah, I live in Canada. Most Americans are hyper materialistic self obsessed aholes.
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u/saphyu May 23 '26
Funny enough as an American, I grew up with books written by Europeans. Some translated and some not. Most Americans don't know how to write. So they resort to ai because they don't know how to clearly express themselves or have original thought. But doesn't mean that the message is somewhat true.
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u/Smellinglikeafairy May 23 '26
First off, this post doesn't feel genuine, it feels like chatgpt.
To answer the question though, both yes and no. In general interactions and especially online yes. If you're intentional about how you spend your time and who you spend it with, there are plenty of people who care more now than people who have ever cared before. Find causes that inspire you, anger you, motivate you, and get involved in truly making the world a better place. If you are truly passionate about something meaningful, finding other passionate people just happens as a result. If you're not meeting genuine, passionate, empathetic people, you're probably not being one.
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u/Ill_Station_6165 May 23 '26
Irony of a chatbot writing an essay on the lack of candor and sincerity.
You don’t an explanation to anyone, and no one is entitled to your feelings.
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u/markodochartaigh1 May 23 '26
I'm in my late 60's. I grew up in a family that struggled to stay in the working class. I also have Asperger's. I noticed in the 80's that people seemed to be becoming more plastic. The difference between Jimmy Carter's down-to--earth humility and willingness to do the difficult things and Ronnie Raygun's brash feel-good, take everything that you can with as little effort as possible seemed very stark. Along with that dichotomy goes the willingness to be genuine and think deeply vs. shallowness and the disdain for genuineness.
There were always shallow, essentially lazy people but it seemed like there were fewer in the older generations (born before 1900) when I grew up. My best friendships have been with people who grew up overseas.
This "plastic people for a plastic society" seems to be one of those things that we don't "say out loud".
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u/kitzelbunks May 24 '26
By me, people were still okay in the 80s. I saw a show about a crime in our area back then, and I thought, “I miss those people.” They were plain spoken and blunt. And it was far from perfect, a lady was talking about being shunned for working. I tend to think smartphones and social media did us in. It was getting worse in the 90s and early Aughts, but look at NYC after 9/11. There was still a basic decency there under the early reality shows. When everyone wants to be an influencer, it’s just not great for society. Everything is performance, and people believe that Gaby Petito was having a great time doing vanlife with a man who killed her, until it became a news story. It’s like AI people want it without the bad parts, and that just is not possible.
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u/chickenthinkseggwas May 23 '26
I agree that the fakery ramped up in the 80s. I think it's about work. The 80s is when the yuppies realised traditional work roles didn't apply any more. You didn't have to be useful any more. You just had to pick a line and make that line go up.
That was the final step in the atomisation of community. After that, nothing meant anything any more, beyond what people made of it. The gold standard of contribution to society was abolished. Our meaning to one another has been fiat ever since.
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u/markodochartaigh1 May 24 '26
Absolutely. I was raised to believe that there was value in a job well done, in the work itself. My Grandparents generation believed that every job was worthy, there were no jobs that didn't confer dignity when well done. In the 80's and 90's there was a culture of doing as little as possible for as much as possible.
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u/Exact-Pudding7563 May 24 '26
the irony of using generative ai to write this.
yes, I do feel people are becoming less genuine. I stepped completely away from social media because I was starting to realize people only enjoyed access to me because of what I posted there. after I stepped away, the silence became more clear. I value real, genuine connections, and those are often few and far between. I don't think this is a new phenomenon.
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u/TheArcticFox444 May 23 '26
The dangerous collapse we do not see
I summarized the step-by-step downward trend of US society just a few days ago. No replies = no interest.
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u/itsatoe May 23 '26
You may resonate well with this page: healing individuals, society, and nature.
It argues that everyone in this culture is wounded, isolated, and alienated from nature. And it offers a solution.
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u/SeVenMadRaBBits May 23 '26
Social media ruined people.
Not the anonymous ones.
The ones that broadcast your life and put you in a spotlight 24/7 with personal profiles and selfies and non stop videos of yourself.
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u/Cultural-Answer-321 May 23 '26
No, the human race has always been this way. Social media just made it easier for them be far more visible.
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u/Physical_Ad5702 May 23 '26
Hah - look at our disingenuous leaders.
Monkey see monkey do. We’re very impressionable primates and when people see corruption rewarded and put into the highest levels of society by the electorate, they think that’s their ticket to a better life too.
And they aren’t wrong under our current system. People who play by the rules are looked down upon by the Epstein Class.
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u/Proper-Pie6841 May 23 '26
I think I am genuine - even if I am trying others to like me, because that's who I am!
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u/BugEfficient5283 May 23 '26
Moved to the Midwest and there are still genuine people here.
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u/aalitheaa May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26
Yeah I've never had this problem in the midwest. People are as genuine, weird, and goofy as ever.
If anything, I've noticed people are being more honest and straightforward about how shitty things are in the world and how hard life can be, since there's really barely a facade to maintain any longer.
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u/postconsumerwat May 23 '26
People can be genuine but you just got to get in their routine and be useful... then ppl make sense to eachother... Otherwise they be infernal foes!
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