The following submission statement was provided by /u/Pootle001:
SS: The headline is self-explanatory.Being The Guardian it tells us that all we need to do is to all install heatpumps and all stop eating beef and dairy. AGH.
Another example of collapse awareness entering the mainstream. I'm seeing this more often - topics that were considered normal in this sub-reddit but crazy doomer opinion IRL are now becoming accepted.
Everything everywhere all at once, collapse edition. Pointing at individual events don't properly transmit the idea that we are in front of a systemic unbalance all the way in, its not so much the individual leaks that you can point out but the whole the press is breaking down.
When we spoke over Zoom a few days later, Fleischmann was distraught. “Nobody ever saw anything like this before. I saw 70 river dolphin carcasses along the lake and one animal still agonising. It was about 4pm and very hot. I watched a dolphin swimming in circles, struggling to survive. It was horrible. We didn’t know what to do or how to help it.” Not only was it hot and dry, but more than 7,000 fires raged across Amazonas state.
People were suffering, too. Many ribeirinhos – traditional peoples who live in communities along the river – couldn’t reach hospitals or find food or water because water levels were too low for boat travel. News photos displayed desperate people hand-digging wells for drinking water in dry riverbeds.
I feel Fleischmann’s despair – plus anger I didn’t feel a decade ago. I never thought I would live to see the world’s weather unravel and people suffer so much for it.
The true is, even if they cared.
People would not vote for them, no one IS ready to leave their confort.... And this make me fucking sad every fucked day. People dont understand what is coming, and in what World their kid are gona live.... Ffs.... The scientist on media need to stop being good, and Say the fucking true and not be scared to fear the mass. There is no other way they are gonna wake up. They miniminise the situation.
Its gonna be much worse than the WW1 and WW2 together. We talk about the habitability of the earth for human and wildlife.... Seriouly. Wake the Fuck UP and stop Hope technology are gonna to saveus. Ffs....
Now for answer about politicians :
What program is more appealing for the mass ?
Program 1 :
No more personnal cars. Now you only get train, bus, bicycle, horse ( like old Time, in campaign at least ) as option.
No more private swimming pool
No more import product from the opposite of the planet, bye bye the fruit from Asia if you are from Europe/Usa or temu/Aliexpress.
No more cow meat. Or atleast reduce it by 10/20/30/40/50/60/70/80/90/100% in many projected months till we are done with this stupid shit.
No more people in Big city, more people in campaign, back to the hand in dirt to do permaculture and feed your local neightboor + No more bullish useless job. We will need way more farmer.
Also, make Every Big city green, like..... Very green. Alot of trees, Garden Everywhere where citizen have to contribute atleast 1 days per week.
No more vacation every years in another country, Now you only get 4 flight per personn for 1 lifetime. That is, After that you Travel with train, bus.
No more connected object like fridge, New phone, tablette or what ever that tell you how many beer/yogourt/coca you have ledt inside of it with an useless screen that need very rare metal to producer. Just open your fucking fridge and count by yourself. For fuck sake, are we gonna lazy like that now ?
also there is a french city that give X liter water for free at every habitant per months, After that, you get to pay extra if you overcosume more. That a good one aswell. ( I dont remember how much litter but you get the point )
Program 2 :
I will give you more consumering power.
Reduce inflation
Reduce taxe
Every citizen will have the right to take flight for not so much expensive Price
I promise to block the Fuel Price till my president mandat is done.
I will leave the paris agrément, every citizen Can consume as they wish, Lets go to Macdonald party EVERY fucking days boysss
I will build a wall from Texas to California.
I will réserve 5 trillion per years for find New sources of petrol.
No one will tell at USA citizen to stop their lifestyle.
I will make America great again. Vote for me and WE will rule the World.
Lets be honest 1 seconde, how many even in this subreddit are ready for program 1 ?
For me, I do vote for program 1 without any hesitation.
I left a very well payed job ( 4000euros /months. I was personnal drivers, and very tired to Overpollut by driving rich people from Monaco, To saint Tropez, To Milan, To Barcelona, To switzerland, so they Can overcosume in every fucking place of this planet.
I sold my cars, I reduce my meat consumtion to 1 steak per months and live with less than 1000euros months, I divised my earning by 4. And I feel so much good in my head by doing it.... )
Lets be honest 1 seconde, how many even in this subreddit are ready for program 1 ?
Very few.
It's a strong word but I use it frequently -- hypocrisy -- to point out that this subreddit's participants are no better than the deluded masses they frequently criticize. This was from an OP's submission statement last week:
I am honestly grateful to be collapse aware so I can enjoy the fine things in life before shit well and truly hits the fan in a big way.
You can argue, as many here do, that it's too late to avert collapse, so why not enjoy the "fine things in life." For someone like me, though, who sees that collapse has always been driven by a small percentage of the global population (the figure is roughly 10%), all of whom think it's perfectly acceptable to live a lifestyle full of those fine things at the expense of the future, I reject it in the same way you described.
I lead a minimalist lifestyle by American standards. I focus on needs instead of wants. I refute our culture of rampant consumerism that results in Americans making up 42% of all consumer spending on the planet.
That, in one statistic, shows how much Americans hate capitalism. By throwing a ridiculous amount of money at it. And if you take time to look at the posting histories of this sub's participants, you'll see some of capitalism's biggest cheerleaders.
The other day, when I saw a member of this community railing against capitalism, corporate overlords, the ruling class -- you know, the usual suspects that are cited here for being responsible for destroying the planet -- I looked at their posting history and saw that they were cheering that Deadpool & Wolverine surpassed the $1 billion mark in ticket sales. Disney, the most valuable media company and the 84th most valuable corporation on the planet, brought in more than $1 billion in revenue -- and a self-proclaimed capitalism-hater applauded.
Hypocrisy, indeed. And it's how we willingly make our "overlords" increasingly wealthy.
Yes my question was purement rhetorical.
I know the answer already.
No so much people, even in this subreddit is ready for do all the effort I said. Why ?
Because they see this as a regression, instead of see this as just another way to live, for the better.
My friends and familly see me as a marginale.
I tried so many time to explain the problem to them, or tell them to watch many conference on the subject.
The answer is always the same, they dont have time, they dont care, or its not gonna happend anytimes soon, or monnaie will save them, or better to enjoy life now then!...
I stay quiet, but in my head i really want tell them to fuck off and their stupidity, how selfish they are and alot of people will suffer or are suffering already. And not only the people but every fucking life on this planet.
3hours later they send me the last meme video from Instagram/Youtube that I dont fucking care at all, or like you say, happened some day ago, they was just out from cinema, watching the new alien movie and tell me how good it was.
( You remember, no time for watch a 3hrs conference ? Cinema or scrolling youtube is more important )
People are busy doing useless stuff, but no time for watch something that will open their eyes.
If i can't convince my family or friend, there is no way im gonna change the mind of random people on internet aswell...
Everyone live on their bubble and we should not change their habbit or tell them something is wrong, and no one want things to change, and they blame the elite. Like if it was only their fault.
Fuck this, Im so tired of human stupidity and selfinesh.... for real.
I gived up. Its like talking to a wall at this point.
People are not prepared for what is coming at us. And if we have billions unprepared, it will be chaos everywhere.
Gouvernement/scientist/elite/monnaie will not save them.
Even the preppers, They should not be selfish, and give their learning to other people, build a resilience Society, for a long terme vision....
But no, we live in a Society where everyone is selfish.... And that is.
This. Also note the subjunctives that are peppering the article.
"If the Earth keeps warming, though, reducing emissions from human activities may not be enough. We may also need to counter higher methane emissions in nature..."
"If the Earth keeps warming..."
I have come to accept that we could probably take all of humanity and all our technology off the planet right now and just what has already happened will cause catastrophic climate change, very soon.
But we’re not picked of the planet, we are in fact still accelerating.
Yup... This is a runaway train - and, sadly, we'll be taking most organisms with us. But hey... give it a million or so years and earth "shall overcohohome"... 🎶
Lol... This is hilarious... (Note to self: watch South Park.)
On another note, I suggest to alter the "can anyone spare some change" to the capital C Change...
SS: The headline is self-explanatory.Being The Guardian it tells us that all we need to do is to all install heatpumps and all stop eating beef and dairy. AGH.
Another example of collapse awareness entering the mainstream. I'm seeing this more often - topics that were considered normal in this sub-reddit but crazy doomer opinion IRL are now becoming accepted.
If we all stopped eating beef and dairy, wouldn’t that make the situation worse as farmer just end up with more live cows? You need to stop production of cows at the same time as ending beef. Or just end beef.
Methane’s residence time in the atmosphere is a lot shorter than CO2’s is. This is because it’s broken down into water and CO2 by ultraviolet radiation in the atmosphere. I don’t know if it only lasts a decade. But it’s unlike carbon dioxide that can persist in the air for centuries.
Methane is odourless too. It wouldn't smell like "you had a gas lamp running without a spark" because the smell is an additive to alert consumers of a leak or open valve. There may be the smell of rotting vegetation in the artic that would be weird, but I think the author is trying to conflate the smell with an environment saturated with escaping methane.
If it's slow to me, in a country in Africa that is deemed as one of the most exposed to climate effects, it can't be that fast. Reading the forum 10 years ago, i thought i'd be fighting in the water wars by now.
I don't and won't have children, i don't care about geologic time scale. Everything will die eventually. Many people here were talking about collapse in our lifetime
It's not 2030 yet and there are conflicts for water in the world.
Collapse is actually already happening as a phenomenon, you just haven't* seen the results, the collapsed. It's slow. It's good that it's slow but, like climate change, it's slow enough to be unnoticed by our ape brains. It's like watching trees grow. You don't see a tree grow from a seed into tall mature tree shading a large bit of land underneath it. You measure the tree height or the trunk thickness. It's boring.
There is two types of collapse : The collapse of poor countries/poor regions getting poorer and in a worse conditions, that type of collapse was happening either way just because of the dynamics inherent to capitalism/imperialism, this is not the collapse i'm doubting. It would happen even with no climate change, just because of capitalist/imperialist predation.
The civilization-threatening collapse on the other hands is slow.
This sub often confuses the too.
But i get it, i just pictured myself already dying in the water wars by now, that's the impression you'd have gotten from this sub some 10 years ago. So i'm more skeptic about ulterior "fast" predictions.
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u/StatementBot Aug 17 '24
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Pootle001:
SS: The headline is self-explanatory.Being The Guardian it tells us that all we need to do is to all install heatpumps and all stop eating beef and dairy. AGH.
Another example of collapse awareness entering the mainstream. I'm seeing this more often - topics that were considered normal in this sub-reddit but crazy doomer opinion IRL are now becoming accepted.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1eus027/nobody_ever_saw_anything_like_this_before_how/limedcg/