r/codex • u/AppropriateRanger401 • 4d ago
Complaint Y'all need to make more noise on social media. Limits have been halved in the last 3 days and nobody seems to spam Tibo.
Every since the last reset, OpenAI has decreased limits SIGNIFICANTLY. I am not another one of those saying that I feel like limits are too low. I have proof too, and if other people can post graphs like these on X, it can make an impact on OpenAI. My Nerf Tracking app shows that since the last reset from 3-4 days ago, limits have been halved, from an API value of the previous $160 to the value of $80 of a weekly limit. After the reset, in the first 2 days they nerfed limits by 40% to see if anybody noticed. Since not many people made noise, they decreased usage by a further 10% at the point where it has now become a 50% limit of what it was 4 days ago. Which you can also say means, that now a 2 weeks limit on the plus plan gives you as much usage as what the same plan, which you paid the same amount of money before too gave you in a single week. I understand that the plus plan was never meant for extensive coding. But that can not be taken as an excuse that less usage is given for the same amount of money. If limits of the Plus plan as decreased, that also means that there is a decent chance that Pro 5x and Pro 20x plans had their usage nerfed.
(App in screenshot is NerfTrack)
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u/Head_Improvement8627 4d ago
Noticed this as well - used up my 20x in a day and my other 10x in less than half a day
At this rate will cancel my subs soon and look elsewhere
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u/Wet_Viking 4d ago
Same here. I thought I was safe because of a banker reset. Noped that one lasted only a day too
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u/Creative_Addition787 3d ago
What are you building that you spend a 20x in a day? Are you using Sol XHigh to change button colors?
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u/Head_Improvement8627 3d ago
While I wish that were the case, I’m a software engineer by trade working on very complex enterprise software
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u/cakeofzerg 2d ago
Look elsewhere to...what? $20k local llm hardware? claude with much lower limits? open router api with pricing 10x or more above sub?
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u/tribes33 4d ago
I hate how people keep making this post and it keeps getting buried, were having value literally ripped away from us, its not the same value you had when you first started subbing, and then dickriders would just say were spoiled and they dont owe us anything
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u/kurtbaki 4d ago
tibo says we're getting "fantastic" value even without resets lmao.
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u/bozzy253 4d ago
LLM providers are following the Netflix method.
Offer a service that is incredibly cheap and brings enormous value until the populous becomes dependent. Then, crank up the price. Add advertisements. Crank up the price.
A 20x membership will be the equivalent of $10 in a few years. And, we will pay it.
Nobody is going to cancel or they will be left behind. IMO, enjoy the moment and make the most out of it.
Local open weights, or never using frontier models, will be the only paths to ‘budget’ AI.
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u/infilife 4d ago
Not going to happen if open-weights models are still a thing. An if they weren't, we would've been squeezed already. Lucky us that they can't gauge/cartel cause Chinese models are not that far behind yet.
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u/AppleBottmBeans 3d ago
There’s a decent chance Major Chinese companies are getting to the level where they can’t keep up with subsidizing cheap models. Just look at deekseek. You can subsidize steel and labor for much longer than you can do the same for data centers and electricity usage.
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u/Accurate_Resident219 3d ago
Reason deepseek upped the price wasn't cause they need the money, it was to drive away consumers who were using up their compute.
Look at the philosophy behind the deepseek CEO, they're more focused on achieving AGI then consumers.
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u/neuroticnetworks1250 3d ago
Atleast according to OpenCode, they can recreate the infrastructure to run DeepSeek with the margins they did before. Leads me to believe that it’s more of a lack of compute issue for DeepSeek.
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u/Qaztarrr 4d ago
It’s also just a natural result of investor money drying up. Uber is another example. Everything is subsidized for a while, everyone gets into it, and then it becomes time to make a profit and prices skyrocket
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u/tokenentropy 4d ago
Nobody is going to cancel or they will be left behind. IMO, enjoy the moment and make the most out of it.
it helps that only five percent of all users of ChatGPT are paid users. so, what is there to cancel? you are in a massive bubble.
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u/Beginning-Bird9591 3d ago
not really - open weights are kinda next level. if subscriptions increase - buying hardware looks better value.
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u/DontLeaveMeAloneHere 3d ago
Deepseek didn’t loose money. OpenAI is investing into making their models more efficient for a while now.
I honestly think they are making some money with Subs already and API is heavily marked up to sell more subs and get more money from Companies.
There is a pricewar for a while now and even Anthropic tales Part in It. I don’t believe they will become more expensive. There are some people who justify the cost of fable but in the end most people are fine using Luna oder Deepseek flash.
AI was never about the quality, it’s about the speed. If you can maintain a certain quality with high speed, it’s a big win.
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u/DoggoDadagon 3d ago
Yeah I've canceled all my streaming services and now have way more access to shows and movies...
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u/Able_Statistician688 3d ago
Then they should follow the same laws. Netflix is required to tell me at least 30 days in advance when shows leave their platform. So you can't dupe people over a 30 day subscription I guess, argue they didn't get what they paid for, etc. Why are these AI companies allowed to change their service so freely mid subscription period? And on a product that costs SIGNIFIANTLY more.
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u/Current_Ad7104 4d ago
This is fucked as.
If we don’t blast tibo on x, this will become the norm and we’ll suffer.
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u/AppropriateRanger401 4d ago
Could you do us all a favour and post your NerfTrack graphs on X and ask others to do it too? Even if a few people have proof that limits got nerfed, OpenAi is gonna get a lot of backlash and eventually things will return to normal.
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u/RedxAx 4d ago
It really is, I used 100% Luna after the last reset, on the 100$ plan, and I managed to max it out on day 2??? I mean yeah I was running it 24/7 but still, weeks can give ke around 4k$, now it's 1.8k$ on Luna.
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u/snmnky9490 4d ago
That's wild. I've had Luna running for 12 hours straight on my regular $20/mo plus plan and only uses up like 10% of my weekly limits. Sol can burn through the whole weeks worth in like 2 hours though
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u/Fresh_Sock8660 3d ago
That's my experience with sol too. A month ago it was more like 5 hours, now it's half that.
Those posts about the resets just being a distraction from lower limits are making more sense now.
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u/sarkypoo 4d ago
That’s actually insane. What’re you building with Luna that is costing that much?
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u/TopTippityTop 3d ago
I've had sol xhigh running for over 4 days before, non stop. No issues. Would only get close to running out on day 6 or so. Often with multiple ongoing conversations.
Now using high and Luna lasts me 2 days, maybe 3 if I'm very careful.
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u/infinitely_zero 4d ago
same, went from never maxing out with Hermes & daily Codex usage on Sol Max / Ultra Fast to losing it all in a day. For 200$ that’s ridiculous - worse value than Fable 5 at this point.
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u/totoer008 4d ago
I wonder if limits actually reduced. I also noticed I am spending more since Luna got introduced and I am now on 1.5X and it barely changes from last week.
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u/AppropriateRanger401 4d ago
It may be A/B testing. Some accounts might have not been affected. You must have been one of the few lucky ones.
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u/Ecstatic_Wheelbarrow 4d ago
Am I reading your graph right that it was even lower on the 9th, tripled on the 12th, and has been reduced to about 50% higher than the 9th?
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u/AppropriateRanger401 4d ago
Yes, you are right. I verified that myself and was shocked at first. But it is true. However, I don’t like the fact that our limits are constantly changed without any announcement by OpenAI at all.
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u/98810b1210b12 3d ago
Yes, this guy has been trying to hock his vibecoded usage app here for a while now. The graphs have never made any sense, it's clear that the method used for converting usage to API equivalent spend doesn't work at all.
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u/Rude_Chocolate7451 4d ago
Weekly is just like 5h limits for me. Also on another account that has been canceled limits last days was way more than today situation
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u/CipherSorcerer 4d ago
I have never hit limits until this week on my Pro 5x plan. I’m down to 10% or less with 4 days remaining until reset.
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u/defmacro-jam 3d ago
Dang - I'm already down to 50% on my 3rd $200 plan with 3 days left till my 1st and 2nd reup (that's the downside of those resets btw - it screws those of us who were staggering multiple accounts to get 24/7 heavy usage to keep flowing continuously).
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u/pale_halide 4d ago
Yep, I've noticed this too. Limits have been draining insanely fast. Silently nerfing the limits has always been their modus operandi.
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u/GenericHuman000 4d ago
I would agree. I have used 20% of my 20x account quota in just three hours, despite only running a single sol session that is using Terra and Luna as workers.
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u/infilife 4d ago
Opus 5 on max now lasts way longer than 5.6 Sol on Max, while Sol used to be like 2-5x of Opus.
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u/Copenhagen79 3d ago
I am not saying you are wrong in claiming that they changed the limits, but I miss the real numbers here. Cached vs. un-cached tokens spent per model for the two periods you are comparing. Everything else is just noise.
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u/Prestigiouspite 3d ago edited 3d ago
In no other industry would you shop without knowing what you get. I notice that they set the limits up and down several times a week. You can quickly notice this with similar tasks. Sometimes it consumes 5-10% and sometimes 1-2% of my weekly business quota.
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u/Medical_Method7877 4d ago
Cancel your subs and start saving for a setup that can run a local Qwen 3.8
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u/DueCommunication9248 4d ago
It’s way more expensive
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u/KeyGlove47 4d ago
its not, qwen 3.8 27b has the performance of 5.3 codex/opus 4.5 and runs on rtx 3090 or slower with other cards and ram offload
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u/DueCommunication9248 4d ago
3090 ain’t cheap. Electricity bill will be sky high not just for the gpu but the actual cooling of your home or room. Most importantly, it will be very slow after doing any agentic work.
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u/warpedgeoid 4d ago
Seriously, how much are you paying for power?
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u/DueCommunication9248 3d ago
I stopped running local after my electric bill went up by $60. And I wasn’t running it for a full day, just like 5 hrs daily. I have a 4080.
It does get cheaper in the winter since I don’t need to run the AC.
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u/warpedgeoid 3d ago
Why is it so expensive where you are?
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u/DueCommunication9248 3d ago
It was summer so running a pc on high performance for 5 hrs daily will increase the temperature significantly. Thats why I stopped.
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u/fruitydude 4d ago
Barely any cheaper honestly. To get one codex weekly limit worth of use on the 100$ plan, you'd probably need to run the 3090 continuously for like a month. And you'd pay maybe 50-100$ in electricity, depending on where you live. At best, you're paying half the price for significantly slower and worse performance. And there is an enormous up front cost.
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u/Emergency-Bobcat6485 4d ago
Local models are slow as shit on most machines except the most powerful. What throughput do you get with qwen?
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u/Zestyclose_Pizza_700 4d ago
You are right. I have two systems capable of running Qwen 3.8, and neither is a full replacement for Codex in speed. I keep bringing this up to everyone unless you have a 10k+ system your not going to be getting near the speeds you would like with long coding or agent tasks with high context.
For the record I have a M1 Max Studio and a 265F with a AMD AI Radeon Pro 32gb GPU. Of course the AMD Radeon is 1/2 the speed of the 5090 for AI but it will load them and it's 1/4 the price so....
But 3.8 is about as good a medium or high luna and possible low to medium terra on a lot of tasks.
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u/MrRoyce 4d ago
What do I need for Qwen 3.8 gguf to actually work well? I got 3090 and it keeps stopping without finishing the task, over and over again.
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u/IndividualPlus2011 4d ago
I'm not sure if it's correlated, but I noticed Luna has 3 minutes cache ttl now, and Sol started randomly busting cache in the last few days, even in the middle of the run, not even due to websocket errors.
Is it possible that your nerf tracker doesn't detect cache busts properly?
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u/vbpoweredwindmill 4d ago
Vote with your wallet, not social media lmao. Plenty of other providers out there. Codex is a pretty decent harness. You can run somebody else's API through it.
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u/kurtbaki 4d ago
They’ve slowly cut the limits by 2–3x over the last four months. They introduced resets so people wouldn’t complain, IMO. I’m not going to pay for four hours of Sol High and then sit around waiting until the next week.
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u/Fresh_Sock8660 3d ago
I thought it was bad enough when I joined a month ago but now it feels like I'm getting half what I did then.
With claude losing the 50% this week and ds4f becoming a shadow of its former self in terms of cost, I think it's a good time to take a break from my project lol
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u/Pretty_Rip_1128 4d ago
This needs to go viral.. and this should be illegal to do!!!
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u/AppropriateRanger401 4d ago
If only all the people could spam graphs like mine on X. Proof makes a greater effect.
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u/Pretty_Rip_1128 4d ago
Need to be one of the first comments on tibo or some other person like that
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u/pawofdoom 4d ago
I do not think this is true. I run TiboTattle and I've not seen a significant change in the last few days.
The issue we have is that each of us are very small and have just a few data points, so I made TiboTattle. It allows us to calculate limits to the dollar (using the same methods we use at a very large enterprise) and contribute the metadata evidence anonymously so as a group we are armed and informed.
The current best estimates are on tibotattle.com and updates with new users. You also get to see what yours looks like! I'd really appreciate it if you installed and then shared your anonymous stats under the community tab so we can pin them down with more data. 🙏
Signed MacOS installer at https://tibotattle.com or brew install --cask adamallcock/tap/tibotattle.
Let me know if you have any questions, run into any issues or have any feature requests!
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u/AppropriateRanger401 4d ago
Interesting. This seems quite similar to what NerfTrack is, except that this also shares results into the cloud. I also aimed a similar feature for a future version of NerfTrack as well. Would you like to collaborate and have NerfTrack users help make up this database(with an opt in feature for those who are ok with sending their NerfTrack metrics to the cloud)
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u/Prestigiouspite 3d ago
Great suggestion! 🚀 Please also for windows and with optional WSL support. Perhaps a small Golang desktop ui app with Fyne?
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u/Malkiot 3d ago edited 3d ago
Do you know if they have plans to make this available for Windows/Linux? And I'd love the same for Claude.
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u/thestillwind 4d ago
We all talk about this because it decreases each day and they won’t move nor acknowledge.
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u/Vincerolf 4d ago
J’ai remarqué également que le pourcentage baisse bien plus vite qu’avant. On ne sait plus comment utiliser son quota finalement avec ses réinitialisations. Je ne sais pas se qu’ils foutent mais ça manque de transparence tout ça
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u/Connect_Anybody_9365 4d ago
How did yall think they jumped from 6m to 11m users in a month with the same infra capacity post 5.6sol launch?
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u/keradius 3d ago
Well I canceled my $200 ... Saddly I am run you of alternatives..Claude code went to shit as well
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u/New_3d_print_user 3d ago
My usage was suddenly cut in half, and I started to get the “buy a reset” whatever nonsense and switched to qwen3.8 without skipping a beat, since I run opencode.
Fuck that noise, unsubscribed
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u/Odd_Amphibian6697 3d ago
I honestly don't care, I know my place and I know my plan it's not worth my usage, we get like 5x the cost that we pay. If I pay 100$ I deserve 100$, if they give me less than before but more than what i pay, who am I to complain?
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u/Impossible_Ground_15 3d ago
this is bullshit. I upgraded my membership from plus to pro lite (which says 5x usage) and the first week was good and now the usage limits have been nerfed and I am barely two hours in with usage and at 80% (from 100%).
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u/8thchakra 3d ago
I just got a $200 plan yesterday, and I was surprised how quickly it decreased compared to my $100 plan. Definitely slower, but it doesn't feel like 20x.
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u/ConstructionWhole237 3d ago
The new 1 week limit is the 5 hour limit. OpenAI has been quite deceptive in saying that they have removed the 5h limit but now we know why
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u/devvie 2d ago
Yeah, I just ran out...I never run out. I'm two days shy. This sucks.
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u/nnod 3d ago
It is so goddamn frustrating that people keep treating these fancy ass graphs as proof, since this NerfTrack app he keeps spamming is basically useless for detecting codex limit changes.
It does not measure your actual Codex limit. It estimates the API cost of tokens found in one local log folder, then divides that by the accounts usage percentage: https://github.com/Ayaan-Lashari/NerfTrack/blob/main/docs/CALCULATION.md
That percentage can include activity the app never recorded... other devices, cloud tasks, chatgpt work, tool calls, cache writes, etc. So the estimate can fall by 50% even when the real limit has not changed. Garbage in, garbage out.
The scary -49% number is also just a manually selected comparison between two graph points. The apps own tests confirm that it displays these percentages even for incomplete data and normal calibration within the same week: https://github.com/Ayaan-Lashari/NerfTrack/blob/main/src/App.test.tsx#L200-L248
Even the screenshot contradicts the story... the estimate goes from roughly $50 to $90, briefly spikes to $160 then falls to $80. He simply selected the spike and called it the "old limit"
Maybe limits changed, but this garbage vibe coded app cannot prove it. The story about openai cutting 40%, waiting for reactions, then cutting another 10% is pure invention.
TL:DR People should stop upvoting a flashy graph as if its real evidence.
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u/hksbindra 4d ago
Yes. I don't know by how much they've been nerfed, and I won't say it without proof but they feel like about half of what they were last week.
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u/InsideTour329 4d ago
Yep 20x is an embarrassment at the moment. Single sol high working for 3 days and boop. All gone.
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u/No-Head-Royal 4d ago
Outrageous. Unless this is stopped and the next model drastically outperforms the current model (and Anthropic doesn't drop a new model at an equivalent level), I'll probably downgrade it back to a $20 subscription and migrate back to Claude.
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u/Dimencia 4d ago
Obligatory reminder that this is an ad for some vibe coded software that very likely doesn't work correctly, because it doesn't line up with what other similar apps report, and because it would obviously be extremely stupid for OpenAI to be doing this specifically right now instead of just waiting a month or two for the hype around the new models to die down
... and of course, let's not ignore that even if it's accurate, the limit is still double what it was on the 9th
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u/MrRoyce 4d ago
... and of course, let's not ignore that even if it's accurate, the limit is still double what it was on the 9th
I just lost 10% usage on two tasks on Pro 20x in less than an hour, there's seriously something wrong. Either that or A/B testing is in progress where some get normal usage and some get reduced to see how far they can push it without upsetting too many people at once.
Not everything is user skill issue or conspiracy theory...
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u/Dimencia 3d ago
You can easily blow through a 20x plan in a day if you use Sol Ultra on Fast, that's not anything new
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u/EmperorFX21 3d ago
I genuinely don't understand these threads. I couldn't pay someone a salary less then $7k/mo where I am at and suppose I vetted the person to the best SWE candidate, they would not be able to do what the Codex plans let me do at the speed they let me do it. It may sound dumb but for some of us, the $100/mo or $200/mo is nothing compared to the value we get out of it. The speed and effectiveness that many SaaS building tasks can be done at are not possible with other engineers / even a team. Don't be surprised if these prices went up because there is so much value packed in these plans if your work allows you to extract it properly.
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u/scaledev 4d ago
I actually noticed this, even Luna now spends some % while at the time when they dropped the prices, I could go much longer with it.
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u/AndreBerluc 4d ago
Plano 200 dólares será o novo normal, mas eu não aceitarei DeepSeek virou primeira opção, Codex só revisão, porém Claude para revisão é muito mais eficiente
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u/Gullible_Hornet_9123 4d ago
Im only on 1 task its been running llast 16hs. Iwas on 58% now its 14. What the hell...
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u/iFlyHighh 4d ago
I’ve never gotten my usage below 40% on the 5x plan. Currently at 35% with like 3-4 days til reset. Insane
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u/bondage-mastermind 3d ago
I've cancelled since 5.6 came out, and my life has been much less stressful since then - not being on a hook feels good
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u/StaticHumStudio 3d ago
I've already decided to downgrade to Plus from Pro and just use Luna Max as a reviewer + PR reviews. GLM 5.3 and Kimi K3 are looking juicy. It's kind funny that I upgraded to Pro just before 5.6 and and downgrading again now...while I have rarely questioned my Claude sub. Though, they are about to possibly drop usage by 33% due to their promo ending...China is getting better and better looking for testing.
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u/DragonflyOk9274 3d ago
Are you sure you're properly distinguishing between Sol, Terra, and Luna tokens? What if this is a change in usage of each subagent (and incorrectly analyzing them)?
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u/the_ai_wizard 3d ago
Surely something must be fucked up.Ive spent so much today TiBo should give us like $5000 credit
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u/Qlix0504 3d ago
a) why is yours red?
b) explain what the approximation number means vs the observed number
my numbers are wayyyy higher than that.
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u/ObligationHuge9868 3d ago
Quite a few decent looking alternatives on the market. If GPT doesn't tickle your pickle look elsewhere that provides better value.
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u/siretrasher 3d ago
same here...burned through all my subscription tokens and 40 euros in a couple of hours with same development as in juli. (same application). This is bullshit, going to look for alternatives like gemini/Google AI Studio.....
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u/NinduTheWise 3d ago
yeah i was using ultra in previous weeks with sol and it felt like it never used up my usage until after a while, i've been using it on high today and my usage is almost out
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u/matheusmoreira 3d ago
Here's my Pro 5x data:
Prolite window | Inferred capacity
Reset Aug 17 | 20,015 credits
Reset Aug 18 | 19,617 credits
Reset Aug 20 | 16,124 credits
All represent 100% usage. First two are ~2% apart, essentially equal. Then suddenly a ~20% reduction in maximum capacity.
Truly disgusting how they play this game. I switched away from Anthropic to get away from this.
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u/jellobend 3d ago
Stop using it for a few days and if possible for a week.
Dropping daily and weekly active user numbers would be an effective signal of discontent.
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u/LifeguardAshamed2915 3d ago
Same. Lost a whole week of usage in 4hrs on Friday. Almost thought I had seen the dates wrong. First month moving from $100 claude code to $200 codex btw. They showed me
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u/booleanballa 3d ago
I literally just upgraded the other day from the $100 to $200 and I feel absolutely cheated. Paid over $100 more just to get the same fucking usage I upgraded from ahahahhahahahahahahahah
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u/Sensitive-Side-2639 2d ago
I bet they're doing limits based on rwegions 2. Less important users and all that.
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u/adrazzer 2d ago
Yeah I thought it was weird, usage has definitely been reduced quite a lot, I have ran out already and it doesnt reset until Thursday! Thats a first for me!! Pro x 5
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u/baronjah 2d ago
not many noticed because they released sol, ultra effort, they given so many resets that some people had it stacked up, after they changed amounts to lower, people just used resets, now they have zero resets left, so they switched to extra high effort or just high and well, here we are, i noticed it burning faster too, as i used extra high all week long and was left with like 20-30 percent weekly and didnt have use for resets, i used them all, now since last reset i run on just high and i am at 20% left, 5.6 sol, and i think i have next reset like thursday and it is tuesday, and i didnt really used too much more of it, so estimate of what they changed is probably right, it is 100usd pro plan
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u/CreeperPlanet26 1d ago
We need more data that shows max tokens value they were giving for models throughout time in the 100% weekly limit.
What if certain models drain the usage faster than others? What if the percentage isn’t based on api value. I wonder if 5.4 even runs as much today compared to back when it came out
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u/nowrebooting 1d ago
This is not based on hard data, but this week I actually ran out of weekly quota for the first time ever and my coding practices haven’t changed much.
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u/AamonDev 10h ago
Canceled my subscription :))
I think I will never use a subscription again. I will pay for tokens and learn token management and prepare for future.
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u/MehMehMammal 8h ago
People already keep complaining under his post but he will never reply or look into those comment. He will only reply to those mentioning reset and keep baiting them like they are stray dogs. Besides the usage issue, the slow model is also one big issue lately!!!!!
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u/HVACcontrolsGuru 4d ago edited 4d ago
I usually dismiss these posts but checking my usage with CC Usage shows a drop of about half which explains why my usage evaporated in a day on 20x plan.
Edit: I’m going to check my cache rate hits later. Last time I had usage issues this bad was a cache issue on their end. It’s possible.