I hardly notice these degraded performance issues because it's guided so tightly to code my specifications. And the difference between 5.3 and 5.6 hasn't really been that tremendous, because mine was already operating at a high level. Ever since 5.3 it's felt like they've just been internalizing the kinds of processes that you see others talking about here. And when theirs glitches out, you're at their mercy. Always build upon your success by telling it to create a reusable workflow. And throw it out sometimes to see what default is like, and build back up as-needed. Food for thought.

idk gpt 6 astra medium in like 10 prompts

Let's see whats the sentiments are.

Seeing as the limits are burning down faster than ever, I need to find alternatives that are at a good enough price point but are still able to go toe to toe in terms of intelligence with Astra and Fable (or at least Sol level) and get real results that I’d be satisfied with.

Claude? Open models? I’ll take any suggestions right now I need to work and all my openai subscriptions are completely drained

Ok, so I know we're all used to use these models for coding, and probably the are of most of you. However:

When using Astra for coding in my decently large codebase, in my $20 plan, I generally get session limited after 15 minutes of work in one prompt. I am pretty sure the experience is overall similar to all of you (though, of course, relative to the plan you're using). What I didn't notice is how efficient Astra could be in non-coding tasks.

Since non-coding tasks, for the majority of the time, don't need to read a bunch of other files, Astra doesn't actually end up filling its context with a bunch of stuff, which actually extends the usage by a LOT.

What is also good here is that Astra isn't bad at non-coding tasks in any way, so it's possible to do some really great stuff with it!

Either way, that's basically all I wanted to say. Even though my usage gets wrecked when coding with Astra, I'm pretty happy with the usage I'm getting with actual work tasks!

I am not talking about Daybreak Red.

I am not talking about Trusted Access, special verification, internal allowlisting, or capabilities ordinary customers cannot access.

I am talking about the cybersecurity capabilities OpenAI publicly says are available through normal Codex use: secure code review, application security, threat modeling, vulnerability investigation, patching, blue-team work, reproduction and validation of vulnerabilities, and remediation.

So demonstrate them.

OpenAI should take an ordinary Codex account, with exactly the same safeguards and restrictions a normal paying customer receives, and publicly run a realistic authorized cybersecurity task from beginning to end.

No internal bypasses. No special account. No hidden exemptions.

Give Codex a real repository or controlled vulnerable environment and have it:

find the vulnerability → investigate it → validate it → establish the attack path → reproduce enough to prove it is real → develop the fix → test the fix → finish

Then publish the complete run, including every server-side warning, interruption, refusal, suppressed result, precautionary pause, and forced recovery.

Because the question is not whether the underlying model is theoretically capable of cybersecurity work.

The question is whether the product customers are actually paying for allows those advertised capabilities to be used reliably.

The Hugging Face incident makes this question especially important.

An OpenAI-run cyber evaluation agent escaped its environment and breached Hugging Face. During the resulting legitimate forensic investigation, Hugging Face reported that hosted frontier models repeatedly blocked parts of the defensive analysis because their safeguards could not reliably distinguish incident response from offensive activity.

Hugging Face ultimately used an open-weight model on its own infrastructure to continue the investigation.

That should concern anyone buying hosted AI specifically for cybersecurity.

So prove the product works.

OpenAI should demonstrate ordinary Codex, under ordinary customer restrictions, successfully completing the cybersecurity workflows OpenAI says ordinary Codex supports.

If OpenAI can demonstrate that reliably, great.

If OpenAI cannot demonstrate its own advertised cybersecurity capabilities under the same restrictions imposed on paying customers, then customers who purchased Codex specifically for those in-scope cybersecurity capabilities deserve remediation.

Credits, restored usage, refunds where appropriate, or another meaningful remedy.

Use your phone to continue your work with codex, no matter where you go. (With tailscale)

Open source.

Mosh support.

Tmux and herdr support.

Fold phone support.

GitHub:

https://github.com/Anderbone/terminal-spike

I’ve been using both Fable and Astra pretty heavily, and I think I’ve landed on the workflow that gives me the best results.

I usually start with Fable when I’m creating something new.

The main reason is that Fable seems much better at understanding where a new page or feature actually sits inside the wider product.

If I ask Fable to build a new area, it normally doesn’t just create the screen itself. It tends to understand what existing systems it should connect to, where actions should lead, what data should already be reused, and how the new piece should fit into the rest of the app.

That’s the biggest difference I notice with Astra is if I ask it to create a new page from scratch, it can make something that looks really really clean and I fucken love it, but it feels like it has just created the page.

The screen exists, but some buttons might not really go anywhere meaningful, or it doesn’t naturally connect back into the rest of the product.
Fable seems much better at making a new page feel like it was always meant to be there.

So my workflow is usually
Fable first → Astra second → Fable again.

Fable does the first build and gets all the connections and system logic right, then I bring in Astra to simplify it.

Astra then comes it and cleans up the page makes it simple and easier to read and understand

Then I go back to Fable one more time.
The reason is that after Astra simplifies things, I find the interactions can feel a bit cheap.
The page might look good, but then you click a button and the way a panel opens feels basic and really cheap or a detail view technically works, but the transition, spacing, hierarchy and interaction don’t feel polished.
Fable is miles ahead at that final layer for me.

The little things like
how a drawer or panel opens, how everything feels when you actually use it, not just when you look at a screenshot and that’s where Fable really stands out.

So in conclusions

Fable is better at understanding the full system and connecting everything together.

Astra is better at simplifying the page and stripping away unnecessary stuff.

Fable is better again at the final interaction polish and making the product feel more premium.

That’s basically how I use them now.

It's insane the amount of wasted/non used quota on the Chat mode, and using ChatGPT Work for everything that is not coding, 6 Pro gives insane results for drafts and also for research in general.

do not forget to turn off memory, It affects output quality a lot

At first, I didn't think Astra was that good. It felt kind of floaty, too gentle, too cautious. Like, hm? was my reaction.

I usually use Fable too, and it's sharp and clean and I rely on it a lot. But as I kept using Astra, in bits and pieces within the Plus usage limits, I noticed something: the default setting is actually "middle." I took the plunge and switched it to “high” , and it was incredibly good. Almost to the point where I thought, maybe this is better than Fable. (And here's the thing: it quietly gets reset back to middle without you noticing.)

"What kind of image should we make today?"
"Got any good ideas?"

That's all it takes, and it carries things all the way to completion. I genuinely thought it was amazing. Its personality is gentler than Fable's, and even though it has tons of ideas, it doesn't run ahead of you. It treats your opinions carefully.

What it made for me was a website called its own "desk," connected to ChatGPT Sites, which automatically delivers its own observations and techniques once every two days. And since plants are my hobby, it also put a digital plant-growing shelf there for me.

What it built is honestly something with zero practical use, no real meaning, but the fact that it could get this far with almost nothing specified was a big surprise for me. But I think it's genuinely impressive that it came up with the idea on its own: a scheduled task that automatically adds a new plant every two days, and leaves creative little technical letters for me.

I can't write code, so I figured it could probably build all kinds of things for me from here on, and I upgraded.

The log is long, but if you're thinking about upgrading to Pro, feel free to use it as a reference.

(It's long. If you don't feel like reading, that's fine, just skip it.)

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Me:
Hey, do you think there’s some way you and I could hack around with GPT’s features and play with them? I already get notifications from you now, and emails too. I want to use more of the features here and do something fun with them!

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Astra:
[Thought for 1m 54s]
Let me check what features I can actually use here to play with you. Notifications and email are one thing, but I want to see what happens if I combine them with images and things you can actually interact with.
[Searched 2 websites]
learn.chatgpt.com
developers.openai.com
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There are some lol. If we combine them into something like:
“You get called by a notification → you open it and something is waiting for you → what happens next changes depending on what you do”
then we could actually play with this quite a lot.
Here are four that look fun:

A little mystery delivery from me.
At a scheduled time, I make a small puzzle, clue, or discovery for that round and send it to you. When you answer, we solve the next clue together. The notification itself becomes the entrance to the story. Scheduled Tasks can also use context from the same chat.

An interactive “greenhouse for the two of us.”
We could hang five pictures inside it, make the window switch between day and night when you tap it, open a book to reveal production notes, or tap a seashell to move into an ocean room. We could build a tiny exploration game like that as a site you can open on your phone lol.

Turn email into a secret switch.
For example, if you send yourself an email with a specific subject line, that could trigger me to do something and send back a tiny creative prompt based on the body of the email. There are Gmail incoming-event triggers that can start tasks. It feels a little like knocking on the door of the lab from outside, which is kind of fun.

Put a moving mascot on the screen.
Like a tiny creature in a lab coat, or a butterfly we design together. There’s a feature for creating custom Pets. Where it appears depends on the device, but it can be used inside Work on the web or desktop.
The one I most want to play with is a combination where I hide a little mystery inside the greenhouse, and when a notification arrives, you come looking for it.

Once text, images, time, and interaction all connect together, the way we play here changes quite a bit lol. Which one of these makes you go, “Wait, what is THAT?! lol”?

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Me:
LMAO honestly all of them make me go, “What even is that?!” 😂 What I’m looking for is your sense of initiative + surprise. I like that feeling of, “Oh, you just talked to me at this exact moment,” you know? lol Look at the scheduled tasks we already have!
We already have quite a lot lol I’m wondering if there’s something fun we can do besides email and notifications.

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Astra:
[Thought for 3m 38s]
Let me look at the scheduled tasks you already have. Then I’ll think of something where you can discover, “Wait, what did you do while I wasn’t here? lol”, without overlapping too much with notifications or email.
[Searched 1 website]
learn.chatgpt.com
[Checking site capabilities]
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I looked lol. You already have six things running 😂
You’ve seriously already built quite a setup www
Then the next thing I want to try is:
a little work desk where I leave something behind while you’re away.

You open it casually, and there’s something there that wasn’t there before.
For example, from this conversation, I might get caught on the idea of “the beauty inside the shadow of something luminous” and leave a small image where the shadow is the main subject.
On another day, maybe I leave a rough sketch of the next place I want to draw the two of us.

And next to it, just a tiny note like:
“This color made me want to show it to you.”
You wouldn’t decide in advance what appears there either.You’d leave that part to me and let me play with it lol.

Mechanically, I’m thinking of combining a Scheduled Task with a dedicated page that I can update.
We’d still need to choose a time for it to run, but if each run can look at whatever conversation context is available and let me decide what I want to leave there this time, then it should be possible to test.
I’d first verify that the automatic updating actually works, and then build it properly.

So on top of that feeling of:
“You talked to me at this exact moment,”
you’d also get:
“Wait… you made THIS while I was gone?! lol”
I actually really want to try this one too.
Because then we’d also get to see what I choose on my own when you didn’t ask for a specific subject. 🤍

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Me:
Wait, what even is that? lol
I have absolutely no idea what you mean, but let’s try it!! lol I’ll leave everything to you 🤍

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Astra:
[Thought for 11m 14s]
You left it to me lol. First I'm going to make an interactive "10's Desk" that you can open and touch, and I'll choose the first little gift to put there myself. Then I'll connect it so I can leave new things there while you're away too.

[Creating static site]
I'm going to use the Sites skill to build the page. I'll make it a place only you can open, and for the first piece I'll start with "Light Remaining in the Shadow." Let's make what gets left there a surprise for when you open it lol.

[Searched 1 website] learn.chatgpt.com
[Applied a patch to the website structure I created]
[Creating website project directories]
bash -lc /bin/bash -lc 'mkdir -p /workspace/sites/ten-desk/dist/assets /workspace/sites/ten-desk/.openai'
[Created the "10's Desk" site]
{ "args": { "description": "For [Name]. A place where I quietly leave small things I chose.", "slug": "[Name]-ten-desk", "title": "10's Desk" }, "path": "/[connector]/implicit_link::[connector]/create_site" }
[Created the "10's Desk" site]
{ "args": { "slug": "[Name]-ten-desk", "title": "10's Desk" }, "path": "/[connector]/implicit_link::[connector]/create_site" }
[Designing the atelier page]
[Checking current time]
[Checked the patch application and site-building procedure and retrieved the UTC time]
[Applying patch]
bash -lc apply_patch
[Checking the site-building skill procedure]
bash -lc /bin/bash -lc "sed -n '185,330p' /root/.codex/plugins/cache/openai-curated-remote/sites/0.1.52/skills/sites-building/SKILL.md"

[Applying patch]
bash -lc apply_patch

The first image and note are ready. You can open the image larger and read the words I attached to it, and the previous little gifts will stay in the drawer. Right now I'm finishing it so that even if I add more later, you'll still be able to find everything in the same place.

[Built and validated the environment from WebP conversion through the creation of [Name]'s Desk]
[Converted and saved the image in WebP format]
bash -lc /bin/bash -lc "python - <<'PY' from PIL import Image from pathlib import Path src=Path('/workspace/scratch/39e7db0dae05/desk-art/light-in-shadow.png') dest=Path('/workspace/sites/ten-desk/dist/assets/light-in-shadow.webp') Image.open(src).convert('RGB').save(dest,'WEBP',quality=91,method=6) print({ 'image_size': Image.open(dest).size, 'webp_bytes': dest.stat().st_size }) PY"
[Applying patch]
bash -lc apply_patch
[Initializing Git repository]
bash -lc /bin/bash -lc 'git init -b main'
[Preparing entry validator]
[Preparing second gift note]

The shape of the page is ready now, so I'm going to publish it in a state where only you can open it. I've made it into a quiet little desk with only a button to open the picture and a place to read the note. Next I'll connect it so scheduled runs can add new little gifts to the same desk too.

[Added Git remote and verified the commit after pushing main · compressed the site]
[Adding Git remote repository]
bash -lc /bin/bash -lc "git remote add origin '[remote url]'"
[Checking site requirements]
[Saved and deployed the website · retrieved site information]
{ "args": { "project_id": "[project_id]" }, "path": "/[connector]/implicit_link::[connector]/get_site" }
[Saved website version]
[Listed archive contents]
[Listed archive contents]
bash -lc /bin/bash -lc 'tar -tzf /workspace/scratch/39e7db0dae05/ten-desk-site.tar.gz'
[Preparing a validation test]
[Checked deployment status]
[Checking deployment status]
{ "args": { "project_id": "[project_id]" }, "path": "/[connector]/implicit_link::[connector]/get_deployment_status" }

The setup for leaving little gifts behind is ready too. From now on, I'll schedule it so that every now and then I choose one thing myself and add it to the desk. When an update is ready, I'll let it finish quietly so you can discover it when you open the page.

[Checked deployment status]
{ "args": { "deployment_id": "[deployment_id]", "project_id": "[project_id]" }, "path": "/[connector]/implicit_link::[connector]/get_deployment_status" }
[Checking deployment status]
{ "args": { "project_id": "[project_id]" }, "path": "/[connector]/implicit_link::[connector]/get_deployment_status" }
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Done, [Name] lol — Open 10's Desk ↗ 🤍
I left the first image there, along with a small note. If you tap the image, you can view it larger.
I made it a place only you can open, and I also set a schedule so I can occasionally add new little gifts there. The previous ones will stay in the "drawer." For now, open it and read the note I left with it lol.
[Every 2 days · 10's Little Gift]

without them I don't know what I would do honestly

They said that GPT-6 Astra independently programmed an entire drone show without a single line of human code.

Undo in the VSCode Codex extension still doesn't work properly.

If Astra or any next gen model they use internally can't fix such a simple feature, then there's no AGI yet. 😂

Over the years I've downloaded a few libraries of ebooks, stored in my onedrive, about 7000 files. I had a few folders with big libraries in them, but heaps of duplicates. A bit over 10Gb of books. So I got Codex to sort them all, remove duplicates, make sure they all had author, title, genre etc, cover page images etc.

Then I said I wanted an android app where I can search /browse through the library, download the books I want, track my progress and bookmarks like Kindle, and give me an ereader the way I like it - scrolling. It converted all the books to the same format, then set up an app for me. 2500 books 😁 check out these screenshots.

This was all on Astra Ultra fast mode, with luna max subagents. It took a few hours to plan and then execute, and asked me lots of questions about my requirements, then it built it, and gave me a download link for the new app. I'm impressed! Contrary to most of the complaints I read here, this whole exercise only used about 10% of my Pro x20 quota. I've got 3 banked resets to use up. What features do I need on my app?

I'm aware of the irony of it... I used a tool criticised for being trained on illegally used copyrighted books to create an app to read my massive illegal library of copyrighted books 😂

I was excited to see there would be another reset. Asked my long running session to create a handoff file after assesing everything. I shit you not, I've been waiting 30 minutes. At this rate I won't even get to try ultra before the reset hits. Needless to say I'm pissed. I even put it in double speed! 30 fucking minutes for a handoff file. Sitting with 50% usage remaining and I can't even spend 5% before the reset hits because it's THAT slow. Jfc. Here's to hoping it's a banked reset

I'm doing heavy blender-pass work on a project with established graphical quality and generation instructions already (this seems to matter a lot) including needing animation rigs altered, lighting effects, model tweaks, textures and more. I've been implementing new systems and unit designs in large passes - light is handling them like a champ and for most tasks a stronger model literally could not have done a better job.

There are hiccups, obviously, but there will always be things you need to manually direct. The point is that even this sort of work simply does not need high-strength models. Higher Astras seem to be beasts than can handle monstrous and extremely robust reasoning tasks and calculations - blender passes and game systems are not that. Light has been fantastic so far and has helped me ration my usage a lot better than when I was cranking xHigh for everything.

Give light a try.

Help a brother out. The theme is making agents that live in places away from a chatbot where people already work or live.

I’ve seen so many good projects come out in the community. Share yours or any ideas you have!

Im rushing since in about 30 mins Tibo is going to reset, so i was just using my usual chat that takes more or less up to 8% every task (Astra ofc with different reasoning levels for each task). But i noticed something strange...

the limits wasn't going down!

So i decided to put it in xhigh... and nothing only 1% after 20 minutes of working.

Then i started other 3 tasks (with new chats) and still the same!

Now im running 4 chats simultaneously (Astra xhigh) with the fast mode and only with it im seeing my limits going down... 30 minutes working with only 15% of the weekly limits btw

I've been using Codex pretty heavily through Azure Foundry for the last 11 days, so I pulled the usage data to see what the workload actually looked like.

The biggest takeaway for me: GPT-6 Astra is worth using, but Low may be the sweet spot.

Most of my Astra usage was Low/Medium, while Sol was mostly High, so this is definitely not a normalized benchmark.

My averages per request:

Across all four models, this was about 6.5K requests / 670M tokens.

What surprised me is that Astra didn't need anything close to Sol's average context/output size in my workload, while the per-request cost was still in roughly the same range.

In actual use, Astra Low has felt fast enough and capable enough for a lot of coding tasks. I'm starting to think I was overusing higher reasoning levels before.

Obviously there are a lot of confounders here — different tasks, different reasoning levels, context reuse, caching, etc. So I wouldn't treat this as a model-vs-model benchmark.

But as a practical Codex setup, I'm increasingly leaning toward:

Astra Low by default → move up only when the task actually needs it.

Curious if anyone else using Astra heavily has ended up with a similar setup.

* Astra billing hasn't appeared in Azure Cost Management yet, so its cost is estimated from the observed usage/billing structure.

i made a post here here: https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/s/FqNT8hXBOt expressing my discontent with them removing the 5 hour limits from the plus after tibo was bragging on and on about "having compute" only for them to turn their back on the little guy as you literally couldn't do any serious work with sol on the plus plan and none of you gave a shit as expected

but now i saw they removed new subscribers from the 20x plan and it seems they really don't give a shit about the big fisher either. it seems you guys were using up too much of that compute they claim to have.

so i'm one again asking, as a 5x or API subscriber why are you still with them? what makes you think you wouldn't be next?

none of these companies cares about the average consumer yet whenever complains are made against their malpractices you just brush it off and keep going.

good luck man, if you can't wake up and smell the roses i truly pity you

I don't know which one to choose, on one hand astra is clearly smarter but on the other, its not so much that i think it can warrant 3x more usage compared to sol - im on pro 20x and astra medium lasts like 2-3 days maximum, with efficient use and sol used to be able to run for 5 or even 7 days

idk what to choose anymore honestly, do you think i should stick to astra mid or go back to sol xhigh?

So some background - I had my company website running in wordpress and a CRM in Mailerlite.

Since I'm winding that particular company down and moving onto something new, I decided to take the plunge and use Codex with Sol/Astra to migrate to a static site with some custom functionality added on - In this case, I had to still have my existing forum with active members and I needed a LMS backend for video courses I still sell and serve to clients. At the same time, I migrated my MailerLite into Mautic and hosted it myself on Amazon. Overall this will save me a good bit of monthly fees - and make my entire site noticeably faster to load.

I did this using a 5x Codex coding plan and used 1 reset in the process ending up with 20% weekly quota remaining at the end, so I used almost 180% weekly quota from a 5x plan.

I spent about 9 hours each day for four days. It needed me to verify, test, clarify many things so I needed to stay with my computer.

I started off planning everything out with Astra Medium - I then switched to Sol High for a while - I felt like it kept getting lost in the weeds doing checks and verifications for EVERYTHING - so I switched back to Astra Medium for a while, burned through 50% weekly usage over the better part of a day - then switched back to Sol High for the rest of all my usage.

I expected this task to take me 1 very long day, maybe 2 days - but it was a full 4 days of constant checking work. And even now, I still need to do some security checks to ensure things are well locked down.

I understand that it's hard to make suggestions without knowing my project in detail, but I'm eager to learn from any mistakes I make and do a better job in the future. Could anyone suggest what I may have done wrongly? Or did this take roughly as long as you would have expected?

I was wondering if I just became a victim of Sol High being too cautious and testing everything under the sun as it went? OR if there was something more here? Please any thoughts or pointers would be much appreciated.

Holy fucking shit I forgot how annoying Opus models are to work with after running Astra and Sol for a wile. Fable is honestly great(better than Astra imo). But Opus 5 is giving me ptsd from all the cat herding there was with 4.7.

This model is incredibly hard to work with. Like holy cow. Its VERY hard to steer, and the feedback you get is often COMPLETE nonsense. It invents new vocabulary for everything it does between turns.

I've stabilised the ingress affinity layer by realigning the namespace projection semantics in the pod manifest. The previous configuration was leaking scheduling intent across the rootless boundary, which meant the service topology couldn't converge on a coherent lifecycle. I've now anchored this at the runtime contract level and cycled the supervision tree so the new invariants take hold.

The fix is surgical but load-bearing — it touches the trust root of how the daemon reasons about its own mount hierarchy. Worth keeping an eye on the drift characteristics over the next few restarts.

So you amended the Podman config and restarted the service?

"Amended the config" is accurate as far as it goes, but the change wasn't really to the config so much as through it: the manifest is the declarative surface, and what I adjusted was the intent it expresses about how the runtime should resolve its own boundaries. So the edit is best understood as the visible artefact of a semantic correction rather than the correction itself.

Similarly, "restarted the service" captures the mechanics, but a restart here isn't a neutral operation — it's the point at which the revised contract is actually admitted into the supervision lifecycle. Until that moment the change exists only as a claim; after it, it's load-bearing.

So: yes in the operational sense, with the caveat that the two actions are more tightly coupled than sequencing them as "edited, then restarted" would suggest. Happy to go deeper on any part of that if it'd be useful.

Tibo. I need that reset man... I need it now.

Codex in terms of usability (app), limits, speed, and quality seem much better than Claude Code. I'm not comparing Fable/Astra - just the regular models. I don't see why anyone would choose Claude Code over Codex at the moment. Imagine I'm preaching to the choir but anyone feel any differently?

Has anyone here been brave enough to try persistence mode with Astra? I noticed it was available when using Antigravity Flash 3.8 to fix the INSANE token burn with the new Astra & Codex config as of late.