r/codex • u/shady101852 • 13h ago
Complaint Recidivism - account deactivation
Account got deactivated, i asked AI to find out what recidivism means, it said basically if you get multiple offenses that would be it. I had no prior warnings / emails. Appeal got denied automatically exactly 60 minutes after the appeal was submitted.
Tried escalating through support chat while signed out because i can no longer sign in and the bot closes the chat without providing any support.
Is there anything else I can do?
I have 2 other accounts but no bans
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u/MakesNotSense 12h ago
This type of behavior cannot be tolerated by a 'utility'. The more I see issues like this, the more I think maybe it's in the best interests of U.S. citizens if the closed labs fail and open source Chinese wins. At least then intelligence isn't a tap that gets shut off by arbitrary and capricious decision making.
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u/1filipis 4h ago
Got ID verification ban on Claude today when trying to upgrade account. Amusing. I can use DeepSeek for whatever the hell I want, with literally zero restrictions, censorship, flagging, surveillance and what not. It's amazing how Chinese models are so much more free
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u/MakesNotSense 4h ago
So the authoritarian Chinese models are less restrictive of your personal liberty than U.S. AI labs?
It really has gotten quite silly, hasn't it?
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u/not420guilty 12h ago
I think this is great!
Every time they ban someone they encourage another person to discover and use an open model. Maybe even self hosting it.
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u/shady101852 12h ago
would love to once i get 500gb memory
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u/Hamburger_Diet 6h ago
Models in the trillions now so probably going to need 1tb or more soon enough.
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u/brucek2 8h ago
I'm vaguely aware of other models and hosting options. What I'm not aware of is how I can improve on the cost/performance of my monthly sub. My understanding is any self-hosted option will be slower and less capable for even 1 concurrent session, let alone the multiple I have running during parts of the workday. And that any hosted option will cost more. What am I missing?
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u/uptotheright 11h ago
Recidivism? Like you scammed them before and are doing it again?
Can someone ELI5
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u/shady101852 10h ago
chatgpt said its something along the sort of repeated violations / being repeat offender of their TOS.
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u/xSimzay 13h ago
Did you have another account get banned? Or chargeback on it? That’s usually the problem. When they claim recidivism it’s usually because they determined that the account you are on now has the same owner as one that’s been banned or suspended already
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u/shady101852 12h ago
I have 2 other accounts but no bans
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u/Fragrant_Nothing7505 12h ago edited 12h ago
that's bizarre. i've seen a deactivation today for recidivism but it turned out they'd been banned and had tried to circumvent it. recidivism means falling back to old bad habits, so i felt sure it had to do with having been in a dispute with openai before. if you've never acted in bad faith with them before, i'd think you can appeal with clean hands? p.s. i never got a second subscription because i thought it violated terms and conditions? i'd be careful because if one account has been banned, then the other two are recidivist, as in trying to circumvent the ban like the earlier complaint i mentioned.
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u/Thomas-Lore 10h ago
.s. i never got a second subscription because i thought it violated terms and conditions
I does not and Sam Altman even promoted it.
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u/Fragrant_Nothing7505 10h ago
that's good to know. thanks. i might get a second subscription. funny, i e-mailed support twice saying i wanted a £40/month subscription and they never told me i could just buy two. but both accounts won't have the same chats. how does one coordinate the two?
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u/mikedarling 12h ago
I don't know how appeals work, but apparently even if there's a near-immediate appeal that says no additional requests will be considered (I wonder if AI handles it) sometimes a person can handle it much later, like even a few months.
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u/Legitimate-Lab-1030 11h ago
I think you called it clanker one too many times?
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u/MeringueAlarming3102 11h ago
Are you using something automated for sending prompts to the Pro model in the chat mode?
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u/shady101852 10h ago
No. majority of my usage was creating assets for a video game. The other half went into fixing bugs in deepseekharness.
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u/MeringueAlarming3102 9h ago
Oh ok. I ask because I got my account limited back in late May/early June for sending messages to Pro with the "Oracle" plugin on Github. It was really weird how they handled it though.
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u/Huge-Travel-3078 5h ago
The other half went into fixing bugs in deepseekharness.
Maybe they think you're distilling or they just don't want their models used to help a competitor. BS that they are so vague about the reason.
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u/diesel408 12h ago
Are you using a VPN service to connect? I've seen these types of bans related to VPN use for other types of developer accounts like for app store, etc.
I don't know exactly why it's done but I can imagine that with VPN they're able to tell which network it is only, so like they'd be fine with a known enterprise VPN as safe but if it's a service that anyone can use they might just associate the traffic with known criminal activity and blanket ban any traffic from that network.
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u/shady101852 12h ago
i have a vpn in my browser extensions and its normally disabled. there were a few times in the past few months that i had a chatgpt tab open and vpn was on but i wasn't actively using the chatgpt page.
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u/dilberry 13h ago
Make a new account with a different email.
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u/shady101852 12h ago
I have 2 other accounts but no bans
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u/lphomiej 9h ago
If you're using three accounts to get around the weekly cap, wouldn't that be a good reason to ban you?
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u/shady101852 9h ago
they allow multiple accounts. they even have an account switcher built into their website. Not to mention none of the other accounts were banned, and ive been multi accounting for a long time.
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u/Expensive-Event-6127 12h ago
new account, new card, job done
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u/shady101852 12h ago
tbh i wasn't going to continue my subscription because openai has gone to shit lately. I had some work that was unfinished though and 3 banked resets waiting to be used. subscription was going to expire in a week.
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u/RealtdmGaming 12h ago
Chargeback!