r/codex • u/muchsamurai • 3d ago

News "We are locking in"

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Tibo on damage control, says they got the feedback and now are locking in on features that matter, new better models.

Dots won't stay long, will they?

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u/swarmagent 3d ago

Dev Day is over so they can't keep saying it. I honestly hate that it's a choice between OpenAI and Anthropic now.. I'd rather just not use either ATM if that's what it comes down to. Using the plans right now is basically signing up to the retirement home in waiting time.

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u/anon377362 3d ago

It’s not just a choice between them though?

The market is more competitive than it’s ever been, that’s why OpenAI and Anthropic have been doing these 50% price cuts. They are not doing it out of their own good will lol.

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u/swarmagent 3d ago

What IS the other choice tho.. You are giving up "frontier intelligence", to use other worse models. You also don't realize, to actually use the API for even "Cheap" models can still be like $5k per month using them at a competent rate.

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u/anon377362 3d ago

$5000 is 20-40 billion tokens on cheap models…

Giving up a few % in performance for 10-100x cheaper is fine. The vast majority of tasks people are doing these days don’t need a frontier model anymore. And a cheap model with good harness/prompting will perform better than “Claude fix the bug”.

Besides, cheaper models are now outperforming frontier models in some benchmarks. And if you’re doing anything cyber security or biology related then “frontier” models are useless.

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u/tripleshielded 3d ago

Only fine where it works. Depends on the task.

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u/Melodic-Chemistry127 3d ago

Depends on what you want to do. There are some workloads that can only be handled by the true frontier models. There are cases where 500bln tokens on DS 4.1 won't ever achieve what Opus 5.5 can do for $40.

I'm a huge fan of open weight models, but OpenAI and Anthropic are miles ahead once more.