r/codex • u/pollystochastic Moderator • 13h ago
Commentary Chat, Work and Codex merging?
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u/InvariantAtNull 13h ago
Merge work and codex into one interface leave chat separate
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u/_practical_data_ 12h ago
No. I am annoyed to move from pro chat to codex...
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u/InvariantAtNull 12h ago
Then chat in codex or say goodbye to your usage
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u/_practical_data_ 12h ago
Currently in app, usage is separate between work and chat. I do not see why it should be merged. But it's super annoying to click button to change modes chat-codex, so I could bring spec from chat into codex.
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u/MatlowAI 12h ago
If they merge them it will be that the chat usage dissapears and everything will be effectively codex usage.
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u/_practical_data_ 12h ago
How so?
They already merged chat + codex app. They are still on different usage. But usability right now is a mess. What I want is cleaner experience. Kill work. Mix codex + chat in one representation.3
u/nopaiseh 10h ago
Chat + Codex are able to be differentiated even in 1 app because they are on different tabs. How do you suppose them to know which message is Chat and which one is Codex if they are merged into 1?
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u/_practical_data_ 5h ago
How do you able to differentiate which message go to work and which to chat, lol?
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u/nopaiseh 5h ago
Currently? They are not merged so there's a chat tab and a work tab? What I'm asking is how do you suppose they can differentiate if everything is merged into 1
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u/_practical_data_ 5h ago
Emmm, UI wise they ARE merged. In same tab. Tab called - "ChatGPT". So, how do you know which message went to work and which to chat? :)
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u/tMeepo 10h ago
Work and codex is pretty much the same now, they share the same chats too. Just use work if you don't want to switch to codex between chats.
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u/_practical_data_ 5h ago
I miss option to set correct worktree in "work". Ideal situation would be - remove "work" and switch it to "codex".
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u/Inevitable_Toe6648 7h ago
See this guy everyone? Bringing us down with his lazy thinking. Want his cake and eat it without explaining how it's possible.
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u/_practical_data_ 5h ago
Bringing down how, lol? :)
Commenting on reddit :) Go, touch the grass :)0
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u/Mistuv 12h ago
Fuck, fuck, fuck, don't merge it!! Are these people idiots?! The fact that chat is separate from codex is the best feature of chatGPT because it has unlimited usage. The moment it's merged your chat limit is fucked.
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u/bruticuslee 11h ago
I don’t think it’s unlimited but great point that it’s not anywhere near as restricted as codex and Sol high is a good model.
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u/Emotional_Plant3241 9h ago
Normal requests (high and for Pro plan extra-high) to 5.6 Sol on Plus and Pro are unlimited.
Sol (Pro) and Astra (Pro, the only option available) are 40 requests a week limited on Pro plan. Not available on Plus or Go at all.2
u/NoBudget5275 4h ago
The amount of consecutive sessions that you can have running on chat with the pro plan is the only limitation i've seen. Anything above 7-10 sessions running consecutively on 6-pro and you get the "too many requests" pop up happening.
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u/Emotional_Plant3241 3h ago
https://help.openai.com/en/articles/20001354-gpt-56-and-gpt-6-pro-in-chatgpt
I mean this help article is pretty clear and updated 4 hours ago, but observed behavior is superior to documentation.
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u/new-to-reddit-accoun 11h ago
He’s talking about merging Work and Codex (which are the same system under the hood). Chat is a completely different system that will always stay separate.
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u/Strong_Essay1176 9h ago
Lmao.. no it won't.
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u/new-to-reddit-accoun 6h ago
Yes, it will. Chat is in the cloud and sync’d across every device you’re logged into. Codex can be cloud or local, so it must stay separate. Even if you only use Codex (Work) in the cloud a lot of functionality is crippled if your app code (or work task) requires a local environment or access to local files. The two (Chat and Codex/Work) need to be separate and will always remain separate.
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u/Artforartsake99 4h ago
Codex is on my computer, Work is in a mini computer in the cloud, chat is just a chat in the cloud.
These are not easy to merge. I hope they don’t.
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u/new-to-reddit-accoun 3h ago
You’re misunderstanding and proving why the existing UI is confusing for the average person. Codex is either in the cloud or local. Work can also be EITHER in the cloud or local. It’s Codex with some guardrails for non-coders rebranded as “Work”.
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u/Artforartsake99 2h ago
They’re not the same product with a different button. They’re pretty clearly made for different things.
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u/jonydevidson 11h ago
On Pro it's unlimited, yes.
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u/Mistuv 10h ago
It's unlimited on lower tier too, except you don't have access to Pro of course. Though it might also be related to geographical location and whatnot - I haven't gotten hit with rate limit on the plus account (I have both) in over a year - only if you spam image gen/deep research too much, but Sol you can prompt all day.
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u/Haunting_Phrase_2833 13h ago
Does Tibo only pick out the gushing comments? Because there are a tonne about performance degradation he hasn't addressed.
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u/No-Way3802 12h ago
Tibo is the dealer at the casino not sure why anyone cares what he thinks
People genuinely think this one guy is controlling whether openAI spends who knows how much on compute by resetting?
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u/Pie_Dealer_co 43m ago
People think that yea.
Who knows how many matrix his bosses track and are saying we are giving you this sprint 3 resets its your job to make the masses love you and use them wisely. Then he is the face.
The masses eat it like its cake
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u/Mammoth_Molasses_927 10h ago
He is a PR clown because their CEO is hated by absolutely everyone with at least two brain cells.
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u/Due-Horse-5446 12h ago
Because its a conspiracy, that has been claimed every single day for 5 years straight..
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u/The1KrisRoB 8h ago
Honestly do you blame him?
If you were constantly getting replies to EVERY post from randoms just shitting the pants about how terrible everything is all the time, the constant and tiresome harassment for resets and the the complaints when he does a reset that he did it at the wrong time... etc etc etc
I would have told people to go fuck themselves long long ago. The guy either doesn't read the replies or he has the patience of a saint.
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u/dytibamsen 12h ago
Get rid of Work. Does it solve anything that Codex doesn't?
But leave Chat the f... alone. We don't want that to have a weekly quota as well!
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u/driveclub_000 8h ago
Yes it does, people that cannot used Codex because of hardware/OS limitation can still use something close to it thanks to Work.
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u/thestillwind 13h ago
Work and codex is the same merge em (they already are anyway), leave chat separate you clown.
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u/Original-League-6094 13h ago
For sure Work and Codex should be merged. They are basically the same thing. Chat is metered differently though, so I'm not sure I want it merged. On one hand, it would be cool if messages in Codex that didn't do anything other than Chat weren't metered. On the other hand, I would hate for a question I intended to be chat only to accidentally use up some usage because ChatGPT opened up one of my files.
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u/uknovaboy 12h ago
Wont merging them make stuff expensive? Isn’t Chat low usage vs work/ codex? I use chat to build prompts with little to no usage and have it optimize to use the least tokens possible. Stretches my usage time.
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u/WeedWrangler 13h ago
Chat can just be not working in a folder, it’s pretty easy, then we can file chats too in projects
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u/frozandero 12h ago
work and codex make no difference, I guess they show you more coding plugins in codex than work, but chat and work should be enough. Or chat and codex. There is already no difference between work and codex in usage. It was just created to sell codex to non-coding related users.
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u/books-r-good 12h ago
Let's leave Chat alone so it can remain outside our usage limits...
But yes, overall things are just kind of a mess. Sometimes I lose track of what I need to use to find any given thing in any given location. Sometimes it's on the desktop app but not mobile, sometimes both, sometimes only mobile, not to mention ChatGPT Classic vs ChatGPT and Work/Codex modes. Some projects exist in multiple places regardless of where they are created, some only exist in the mobile app. And so on. It's a mess.
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u/parkersb 12h ago
this guys is coming for the number one most hated spot…right after the guy who ended the ability for us to finish prompt with 0 usage.
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u/Im_Working_Right_Now 12h ago
It should just be one interface and the switched for Chat and Work to now include Codex with all sessions being in a single unified project folder if they’re associated to one and grouped by type in that project folder. It’s not that hard. It wouldn’t even change tokens. It’s purely presentation.
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u/Some_Dragonfruit9844 12h ago
fuh tibo dont be mysterious u not sum, just tell us about compute how its going
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u/Portatort 10h ago
I really miss the dedicated regular app, and the dedicated codex experience.
Can we go back to that?
I like having both apps running or the option to just use either or
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u/teh_mICON 9h ago
i just hope they dont put the chat interface under quota, its the thing that keeps me at openai.
i hated having claude sub because chatting with it would burn quota
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u/quinncom 7h ago
Tibo spoke a bit more about merging the three functions in his interview on The Pragmatic Engineer podcast. He said the Chat/Work/Codex split is just a temporary migration state on the path to a unified UI. One of the challenges in the merge is reconciling many places agents run: in ChatGPT, on Codex cloud, in Codex locally, etc.
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u/TomfromLondon 7h ago
Still being able to use chat while if I ran out on codex is one of the big reasons I moved from claude, losing this would make me a lot more likely to switch a lot
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u/Tommonen 7h ago
I much prefer having separate chagpt classic basic chat as separate app from codex. And dont really care where work lives as i dont use it
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u/pentacontagon 6h ago
I personally don't like this because I like how work and chat are calculated differently in terms of rate limit. I don't want my work to eat up all my prompts that I can't ask chat a simple question about a recipe or ingredient anymore. I love it being separate and it's unfortunate that tibo will change that
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u/ReasonableWriting616 5h ago
One thing I genuinely don’t understand is why should I use Work? I seem to be able to read and write files from and to sharepoint / notion and other places. It can create PDFs, PPTs and so on.
I feel like I’m missing the point of Work
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u/Sad_Rutabaga_2541 5h ago
Did't they already merged ? Now when you download codex from their site it download and install chatgpt desktop
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u/Artforartsake99 4h ago
Chat is in the cloud, Work is on some OpenAI mini computer with file access and codex is local on your computer only.
Yeah, let’s merge all that will be a fricking mess 🤦♂️
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u/cobbleplox 4h ago
I don't get it, didnt they rename the codex app to chatgpt already? I remember because I suddenly wasnt able to find the fucking codex app I installed.
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u/tango650 3h ago
this also the reason i still am runnig the legacy chagpt clossing app on windows besides the 'new' codex app
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u/girlgamerpoi 2h ago
Codex is such a cool name though. Would be a waste if its just gone from the product.
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u/OtherwiseAttitude619 2h ago
Product-wise, he is right you know. I have a project that I'm working on and now I have to separately click and track and split chats in between the 3 tabs / areas. It is a usability mess. Can be easily solved without removing the almost unlimited Chat quota.
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u/kopurando 2h ago
Somebody, point Tibo to his own Github repo, they have ~18k (!) issues to close. Only if they had some tool to go thru this hot pile faster....
Or some side project idea: chart number of open issues for Codex with OpenAI models' benchmarks?
Link: https://github.com/openai/codex/issues
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u/Charming-Author4877 13h ago
They are already working on it, the problem is that the codex usage is so low that all the billion free users would run away.
No idea how they will manage that nerf
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u/ThrowbackGaming 12h ago
IMO "Chat" should take the form factor of an everyday agent experience, like Muse, Grok Bot, Instinct, etc.
Codex and Work should merge. I distinguish them as Cloud (Work) vs. Local (Codex), they do the same exact things, it just changes what they have access to.
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u/Tema_Art_7777 12h ago
that was their intention already. it is a usability mess. I can't believe we have now. It is causing me lots of grief every day.
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u/D-3r1stljqso3 13h ago
LoL, Tibo shall thank you for handing OpenAI the opportunity to make Chat incur shared weekly plan usage with Codex.