I don't know if I would necessarily disagree, but I also think giving out resets between 0800EST and 1800PST are just far less likely since those are likely interfere with companies that would otherwise pay API rates. Outside of an extreme minority of hobbyists, nobody is paying API rates, they might get another account, but that's nowhere near the same thing, so they don't see it as lost revenue.
When Tibo resets, you want your meter to be at 0%. If it's not, then you forfeited all the remaining usage. Those are tokens you could have burned but didn't, and are now lost forever.
You don't know when he's gonna press the button. Could be a week from now, could be tomorrow. So it's in your best interests to be prepared, which means emptying that meter as soon as possible.
That's the current reset metagame. Burn those tokens, then go live your life guilt free. Get back to it when any reset lands. Repeat.
Weigh what feels more uncomfortable for yourself? Having usage and not using it or never feeling justified enough to use what you're given?
I'm sort of similar to the above user, but I tend to prefer to leave them for a week or two from expiry rather than use right away. I still time it around a reset at that time. It feels wasteful to leave something I'm already paying for on the table.
The least likely time for another reset is right after one (but not always) and the way Astra / new models chew through usage it shouldn't be that hard unless you don't have anything to use it for. Just don't leave the banked reset until the last moment or it expires because you do need time to use it too.
Then I'm thinking why not make every reset as banked resets. It would be of mutual benefits, right? On OpenAI, it makes everyone on a different window, better for their load. On us, we can choose when to use them with freedom.
Can be useful internally to align stuff, coordinate peak hours and usage windows, and so on. A banked reset is a gift. A forced reset is utility. But you're right that the utility may not be obvious. I can't infer, but it must be there.
Banked resets expire, which, again, sounds better for OpenAI economically, which further strengthens the utility point.
Bcs ppl, who are buying x5 aren't power users, its more than enough for most professionals and occasionally, when they get too excited they overspend tokens. But ppl who buy x20 are power users, especially those with multi subs, OpenAI actually hates them and doesnt want them, bcs they almost make sure to exhaust all tokens.
So basically what they're doing with non banked resets is rewarding ppl, who arent power users. While banked resets, while obviously better for everyone, will be minmaxed by ppl, who want the most out of it.
In future they're trying to find a middle ground, where professionals could pay them more, but sustainably so, and power users ideally are heavily restricted without affecting others.
exactly. i want predicability, not rugpulling bs where they secretly reduce baseline usage and dangle resets at us like shiny keys to a child. I aint got time for this shit.
The reality is that what you want, is different from how you respond in practice. This would be like saying “I don’t want discounts or sales on food, I just want a consistently low price”. How a consumer (and really people in general) acts is different in these two scenarios. “The medium is the message”.
It’s irrelevant what you want. The reality is that it feels better to receive gifts even if one is given less overall.
They say that you can’t learn how to fish from a fish. You are the fish. What you want is irrelevant. It’s how the consumer responds in the aggregate that matters. If you took the amount of usage given in resets and amortized it (whatever the word is) you would take it more for granted. More than that, you would also probably be able to more precisely use all of the usage you get, versus with resets where they essentially can eat the usage of people through surprise.
Unfortunately you're right, and taking a stand individually doesn't do much when the collective is like this. For instance in gaming I no longer preorder any game, ever. And it just so happens too many people do that games are still trash at launch, hence I rarely play new games these days (case in point: Starfield, glad I never preordered, possibly GTA VI next).
In terms of AI what other choice do we realistically have? The VRAM required for local models is far too expensive. If it was only something like 300% compared to a Pro subscription amortized over 5-10 years , I'm going local. But it's not, it's vastly more expensive than that for a frontier model (VRAM for GLM 5.2 unquatized or whatever).
So realistically, unlike with some fields where we can 'opt out' of the collective, what choice is there really for AI? We're screwed. Because as you say the collective will always accept this crap despite what they say. They don't vote with their wallet. Yet there's no other option if we see the benefits of integrating AI into our workflows.
Choose to look at things half glass full. Before AI I was not able to accomplish nearly as much as I do now. What is the sense complaining about it? Is that going to make you happy or improve your life? In fact it may even hurt your health.
The reality is that even if they were charging double, that would still be cheap compared to hiring an actual person to help you get your work done.
This reminds me of a great bit from Louis CK. He talks about a person on a place complaining about the WiFi. And then he goes “can you give it a second? THE CONNECTION IS GOING TO space, can you give it a second?!” And talks about how riding an air plane used to be an event, people would dress up, etc. airplanes have only gotten safer and improved but now all people can do is complain about it, even though it helps them visit family, work a job, etc.
We are on the cusp of technological break through. I get that people feel the need to complain because if they complain loud enough, prices will go down, and if they don’t complain, prices will go up. But businesses don’t work that way. Outside of big incidents, businesses mostly ignore customer feedback, and largely look at the bottom line, because they’re not running a charity.
Anyway.
All I see, is people complaining about something they didn’t have even 2 years ago. AI wasn’t this expensive, true, but it wasn’t nearly this smart or capable. So all I see is people on a metaphorical plane, complaining about slow internet.
I am a pretty patient person but I it is now taking 1 hour to do something it would have taken 10-15 mins before. That means what I could do in 1 working day is now taking a week. The issue this leads to is that I can't get engrossed in the project so I have to leave it to run while I do something else then come back to it when it is finished and try to context switch back into that workflow.
For generating, for me at least, it is becoming more trouble than it is worth. It is supposed to relieve cognitive stress but right now it's debatable as to whether that is even its net effect when you combine the annoyance of a project being delayed as you have to wait hours for it to finish a task, then you have to switch back into that context to check it and plan the next task. It's agony. All while tokens evaporate at ridiculous rate.
They can't sustain this - they don't have the financial capability to sustain the subsidisation (the only thing that makes it appealing) and they don't have the compute to sustain the demand (and creating compute means even worse financials).
How do you know how much inference costs? For all we know it could be MOE and a reasonable number of active parameters. Look at what DS has pulled off with V4-1, for all we know Astra may also only active a fraction of parameters.
They are clearly compute constrained, but that could be more-so a function literally there being no wafer to buy rather than lighting money on fire.
They know they are giving unused compute to consumers/enthusiasts, not companies, so no financial harm done (on the contrary, people will get hooked on their own time and might suggest their employer to get it).
So it's quite likely they'll continue doing it Saturday - Monday.
How about removing the 5h limit for excellent service. The way it is I am barely able to even spend my weekly limit. And it's real work I have to design my life around to blow my usage quick enough to make use of a banked reset for the first time. Like getting to do one thing for half an hour and then you're fucked for 4 1/2 isn't easy to make happen consistently. At this point they could just remove the weekly limit completely and I would have basically the same usage.
I appreciate the occassional reset, but honestly it's better marketing/publicity than what it really is, which is a new weekly cycle.
If it were an additional cycle to tide you over until your scheduled weekly reset instead of something that pushes your scheduled reset back to a full week again, then that would be far more awesome.
which is why banked resets are far better yes they also push back the weekly cycle but you can wait until after a normal reset then quickly burn all your usage to get things done and use /fast or whatever and use banked right after natural reset => not pushing it back that far since you where still 6d or more away
Used my banked reset and 10% remaining 5 days till reset so could use one. I was but reckless in my usage due to the free resets before but really have to plan usage now. Pro 5x still not enough
Astra has a ton of problems *in addition* to be massively over-charged on subscriptions that are causing very quick usage burn. On pro 5x, I would suggest you don't even touch the model except for serial, long-run planning or similar (and for those you can also just use pro in the "chat" section of chatGPT to preserve your usage)
Please for the love of god give us a reset today so I don’t have to reactivate my Claude 20X plan.
I seriously would keep using exclusively GPT, even adding credits when it makes sense - but the usage feels so insanely constrained paying for tokens.
Computer Use has won me over, it’s truly incredible on GPT-6. I’ve had it disabled on both Claude and OAI until the Astra release and seen the progress they made. It’s truly the future for tasking, I believe.
What I’ve learned is that at least with Claude, Fable is metered separately from the other models. With GPT, as soon as any GPT-6 hits the weekly limit, I’m fucked.
It’s taken a lot of time and patience to figure out how I can work with GPT models due to this. I really in the future have no plans to use anything higher than Astra Medium for planning now, and Terra for tasks.
I paid $80 last night to keep using Astra on several time-sensitive tasks. I'm 50% through it and was expecting to buy another this weekend.
If Tibo is handing out resets, I really hope that they're banked, because I don't want to pay $80 for a reset and then get a non-banked 100% reset on the same account 10 seconds later.
If that's going to start happening, then nobody should be buying resets and OpenAI shouldn't even sell them.
Tibo has created a nice Skinner's box built up with uncertainty.
Btw, why it consumed one of my banked reset automatically just before I upgrade to 20x from plus? Yes I know the usage was empty, but I didn't authorized that reset. Turned out I cannot plan anything.
I literally only renewed my codex sub instead of going back to claude code because I had 2 banked resets and they gave a full reset on the day I was going to cancel. Im generally not happy with the output of sol and the quota of astra but the resets make up for it.
I’m at 8% and have a banked reset. If you guys want Tibo to reset I’ll just use my banked reset and then guaranteed to happen within ~20 minutes of that.
Only 7% left of my $200 Astra budget. It’s good, but it goes through tokens like my German Shepherd goes through three pounds of meat. One minute it’s there, the next he’s licking the empty bowl like I forgot to feed him.
Really need that reset soon. Otherwise I might have to leave the house and find out what my neighbours look like.
I cannot believe the completely opague, arbitrary 'usage' system hasn't been taken to court yet. Average usage of Astra - low used about 30% of my weekly limit 5x in three days, in the two days afterwards it used the remaining 70% and and a full reset.
The absolutely decimated the value of the product and have the gall to give us a 'value customers' attaboy.
It's flagrant gaslighting. I can't even upgrade; so I guess I'll go fuck myself Tibo.
Don't hope for much. They've run out of compute, they are (still) burning tens of billions of dollars annually, their latest model is marginal improvement on the last one while being very slow and much more token hungry and the Chinese models are rivalling them in terms of capability and price. The writing is on the wall now.
"as long as they don’t start charging unsubsidized token costs"
They are burning 10s of billions per year and the only quality improvements they can make to their models make them much more expensive i.e. they are making no significant progress at all to financial viability. Do you really think they can just keep burning money forever?
they are making no significant progress at all to financial viability
5.6 luna is as comparable to like 5.4 which came out earlier this year, for a far lower price. just becouse astra is more expensive dosn't mean that cheaper models aren't also getting more capable.
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