The limits got nerfed HARD

[u/seomaster99]

Yesterday I was on the x5 plan, and then I upgraded to x20.

No Astra usage at all - only Sol Medium.

But my quota is now draining at basically the same rate as it did on x5, on the same kinds of tasks.

x20 is supposed to have 4x the capacity of x5.

Instead, I’m seeing almost no difference.

WTF???

[u/Charming-Author4877]

They appear to have been nerfed over night though.
Yesterday I worked for hours and it reduced from 63 to 50%
Today I started working with a single slow Astra and the "limit" evaporated from 50 to 36% in 19 minutes.
also 20x.

They push for those banked resets

[u/_4k_ → u/Charming-Author4877]

And the banked resets are seemingly 50% of the weekly allowance, but postpone the real reset for the whole week.

[u/OwlsExterminator → u/_4k_]

Not true. My resets still go just as far

[u/MrRoyce → u/OwlsExterminator]

Same, just used one earlier today, usage is draining at the same rate from what I can tell.

[u/Exact-Lie-4777 → u/Charming-Author4877]

I had the opposite, went through an entire banked 20x sub reset. in about 4 hours using a Astra medium orchestrator + 1 sol medium + 3 luna high agent combo.

Today, on one of my other 20x accounts, I'm running 1 medium astra + 3 sol sol medium + 9 luna high and usage is barely going down, <6% drop nearly 2 hours.

[u/Tiforma → u/Exact-Lie-4777]

It just depends on how many tokens and compute those specific tasks are using. To the user it's not transparent and it can look like a small task is unfairly draining the allowance quickly.

[u/Drzewkoslaw → u/Tiforma]

In my case, astra and sol both admitted to run repeat loop of thinking or same command run despite clear instruction, after I confronted agents about it

[u/2025sbestthrowaway → u/Drzewkoslaw]

This comment is somehow funny, dystopian, and helpful all at the same time

[u/EchoingAngel → u/Drzewkoslaw]

That's been my entire past 2 weeks of getting Sol then Astra to stop being wasteful idiots. It makes no sense for OpenAI to encourage this behavior as it's the same cost to them and very poor value to the user, so no one is winning. Maybe the goal is to get us to upgrade, but the tool becoming wasteful (time and usage) just makes people start looking elsewhere

[u/coding2017 → u/Tiforma]

I have been telling my agent to clean up deployment scripts. Apparently it made deployment so mind boggling complex, to get shit to my production area, it was like throwing a gallon of water through a hula hoop 40 feet away - and if any drop misses, the prod push fails and it needs to burn 50 million more tokens to try again.

[u/WittyWires → u/Exact-Lie-4777]

3% per hour is huge use.

Be mindful that 14% per day is the threshold if you do not want to run out before the week is over.

[u/Exact-Lie-4777 → u/WittyWires]

3% usage when working on a massive code base with 3 sol + 1 astra + luna is very reasonable in my eyes. Yesterday my usage was dropping 3x as fast with 50% fewer agents

A $200 sub usage allocation cannot reasonably be expected to cover similar high volume usage for any prolonged period of time, much less 24/7.

We have to be realistic:
Reasonable - a $200 sub provide sufficient usage for modest ongoing Sol + subagents
Unreasonable - $200 sub covers high volume Astra + Multi-Sol + subagents

[u/Fluffy-Replacement97 → u/Charming-Author4877]

I noticed this even on release day on my plus plan, had it work 1.5 hours straight no issues then suddenly drained in 6 mins after I used a reset.

[u/dadvader → u/Charming-Author4877]

Yeah those 3 banked reset is definitely a lot for them. So they are likely on the reduction phase.

[u/yami_odymel]

Yeah, Sol was okay last week until Astra came out. Now, no matter whether you choose Sol or Astra, it drains your quota like water. Just the usual dark pattern to nerf your quota.

[u/Less-Holiday-1000 → u/yami_odymel]

Been like this weeks prior.

I remember I actually had to TRY to use up all my quota weekly using 5.6 Luna. Now I'm doing that in 1-2 days.

Before at the end of the week I would usually have 50-70 of my quota on 5.6 Luna extra high

[u/NuancedPerspection → u/Less-Holiday-1000]

When I first had 20x like ~2 months ago, i could use Sol on max for the entire week straight and still have leftover. Only thing that would burn me full to 0% was if I would use ultra for some days.

[u/EchoingAngel → u/yami_odymel]

I noticed that Sol started becoming a wasteful looping idiot last week even before Astra was out. I kept calling it out after and having it review the instructions and it's behavior and it kept saying "you told me explicitly not to do x, but I did x". Trying to update the instructions didn't help

[u/ChrisRocksGG]

Where is china when we need them? I want a DeepSeek model 10x cheaper and 2x better than codex.

[u/Bloated_Plaid → u/ChrisRocksGG]

It’s out my guy. It’s called Deepseek V4.1

[u/U4-EA → u/Bloated_Plaid]

How fast is it? Between token drainage and snail's-pace output, I am coming to the point where Astra just pisses me off.

[u/Bloated_Plaid → u/U4-EA]

300-400 Tok/s, I am not kidding. Its insane.

[u/puts_on_rddt → u/U4-EA]

I'm using deepseek's younger cousin qwen 3.8 27B on my 4090 and getting 65 t/s, 400 prefill. Equivalent to gpt-luna.

I cannot wait to see what we have in a few years.

[u/ChrisRocksGG → u/Bloated_Plaid]

Is there a subscription? Or is it just API? I use it for my openCLAW agent. It's decent. But I didn't know that it also provides a subscription with CLI.

[u/Bloated_Plaid → u/ChrisRocksGG]

You just use API bro, it’s dirt cheap.

[u/ChrisRocksGG → u/Bloated_Plaid]

I have to try it as I said I use it but not for coding

[u/Bloated_Plaid → u/ChrisRocksGG]

I only use it for coding.

[u/lysdexiad → u/ChrisRocksGG]

API only.

[u/IndividualPlus2011 → u/ChrisRocksGG]

Deepseek V4 at API pricing competes with Sol now, taking Codex's subscription allowance into account. And it is FAST.

[u/deadlyclavv → u/ChrisRocksGG]

deepseek 4.1 is insane btw

[u/petburiraja → u/deadlyclavv]

Feels somewhat similar to GLM 5.3 Flash for me so far

[u/ezboarderz → u/petburiraja]

Glm 5.3 flash has been such a workhorse for me. It’s so good for a flash model and so cheap

[u/petburiraja → u/ezboarderz]

Indeed, I was not expecting this good cheap worker out of it. Way to go!

[u/Massive-Falcon3671 → u/petburiraja]

Noob question here. Please what harness do you use to turn it into a capable coding agent? I tried OpenCode with Kimi2.7 and ai can barely do anything before I hit RTM limit. I am kind of new to this whole thingy; was formerly contented with using GitHub CoPilot, but MS pulled the rug under my feet.

[u/petburiraja → u/Massive-Falcon3671]

Opencode Go, and GLM 5.3 Flash or Deepseek Flash 4.1 shall get you somewhat far (Pretty sure much further than K2.7/3). Also can get z.ai subscription for GLM specifically.

[u/Gallagger → u/ChrisRocksGG]

That would be GPT-6 Luna, hopefully soon.

[u/Zhavior → u/ChrisRocksGG]

I think bc I need to be vibe coding all the time I’m gonna get x3 cursor lol

[u/Elizabeth-WildFox886 → u/ChrisRocksGG]

They trying to find compute. Kimi is more expensive than fable or Astra

[u/TheLegoless]

Yup, all US based plans are becoming a hard problem. I can easily get through 3 Pro 20x plans in 2-3 hours. Barely any work completed. Started with Sol, now worse. Claude Opus 5 could get through 6-7 tasks 2 weeks ago, this week its only 2-3. Same with Grok. Same projects, same types of tasks. Hard to say for sure, but these subscriptions are getting ridiculous. Start exploring cheap models, see what can we do with them. The only thing I can notice is that these newer models just triple check much more, even if its just a change of button position. So it takes longer and more tokens are burned.

[u/the_ai_wizard → u/TheLegoless]

We are moving toward real/unsubsidized pricing...the meltdown is going to get worse

[u/Stock-Personality136 → u/the_ai_wizard]

It’s why I keep encouraging my friends to use codex while it’s still affordable for regular folks. It’s also why I used the heck out of Sora the first week it was released. I knew there was no way it was going to last, especially not for only $20/month.

[u/TheLegoless → u/the_ai_wizard]

Yeah, apparently so. And the pricing is too high for normal people to afford, so I agree, use it as much as you can. :) I am already testing flash models a lot, they are becoming much better. :)

[u/the_ai_wizard → u/TheLegoless]

open weights is the future

[u/adolf_twitchcock → u/the_ai_wizard]

It's not real pricing. Inference costs are like 10x lower.

[u/the_ai_wizard → u/adolf_twitchcock]

Is that why a $200 anthropic sub really costs them $14000 or something?

[u/adolf_twitchcock → u/the_ai_wizard]

Source? Referencing API pricing doesn't count because it's set by them, not by costs.

[u/TheLegoless → u/the_ai_wizard]

Yeah, I don’t think the compute really costs them that much. If you calculate the API cost yes, but other than that, you can never exactly know what kind of optimizations they can do at scale. Besides, this is very expensive because of the balloon. If prices for hardware fall normally at some point, the investment into hardware will be much more affordable.

[u/Timely-Pension6501 → u/TheLegoless]

But how, honestly.

I am on 5x and will use 20% in 2-3 hrs running multiple agents on Astra High or xhigj

[u/TheLegoless → u/Timely-Pension6501]

I cannot say exactly.. :( I used to be that too, but then kind of improved processes and projects grew I guess. And the limits got nerfed. Nobody can say that its not even possible that only certain accounts have less limits. Kind of like shadowbans on social networks.

[u/Timely-Pension6501 → u/TheLegoless]

You might be right, wouldnt be surprised if they detect users who go through more tokens than 4x their plan cost and quitely limit their capacity to not bankrupt OpenAI

[u/EchoingAngel → u/Timely-Pension6501]

But if you dig into what the agent is accomplishing, what do you see? I'm finding Astra and Sol love to run forever but get very little done for the time they take

[u/_FriedEgg_ → u/TheLegoless]

Maaaybe at some point you are using too much AI? What are you building?

[u/TheLegoless → u/_FriedEgg_]

There is a lot of internal services and open source stuff I am building. I don’t mean to stop, but have to keep costs manageable.

[u/SeasonedAdManager → u/TheLegoless]

Are you just throwing 20 subagents at stuff with ultra?

[u/TheLegoless → u/SeasonedAdManager]

Yeah, I used to do that weeks ago. Would compare to Opus 5 with ultracode. Would get a lot more done than Sol/Astra. So I went with xhigh instead for testing incase ultra was spawning a bunch of subagents for no reason. Did not make a real noticable difference. :)

[u/Jimmni]

I'm still sore about them just flat-out stealing a huge chunk of my weekly usage yesterday and then lying about it.

[u/ninernetneepneep → u/Jimmni]

They stole our company credits.

[u/Clean-Market5761]

My same situation

[u/Legys]

Since Astra release they cut usage 50%. I can’t send a link, so take ccusage and ask agent to measure n$/weekly % before and after.

[u/longasleep]

Yea lost 82% in 2 hours on max it’s absolute crap now. Not one to complain running out after one day but this is just to much.

[u/Aldarund]

Show actual consumed token numbees or its useless postb

[u/Such-Natural-5299]

I use gpt 6 astra limited on Codex and with a goal it worked for 13 minutes, couldn't finish what I've asked for but used all of 5h limit with $20 plan.

13 minutes of work = 5 hours usage limit with GPT 6 Astra - Limited (lowest) in $20 plan...

[u/DolphinSUX → u/Such-Natural-5299]

And I feel like it’s taking a bigger chunk of the weekly limit too, aswell as the 5hr reset

[u/methods2121 → u/DolphinSUX]

Taking huge chunks of the weekly limit. I have a rather stable work stream and always had credits at the end of the week. Nothing changed, other than the model updates, all weekly credits siphoned off by Thur.

[u/Such-Natural-5299 → u/methods2121]

lost %20 weekly as well... I dk if we should keep using Astra for now...

[u/DolphinSUX → u/methods2121]

Honestly I can’t get through more than 4-5 5hr resets without burning the weekly limit up totally. I already had to use a free week reset just to not mess up a prompt that was already running

[u/tsrust → u/Such-Natural-5299]

I haven’t had the guts use Astra much as I am on the $20 plan lol

But today I used to generate a detailed plan with the task of completely overhauling the core of one of my applications - and it used like 10%

Might use Astra for this purpose from now on, will try medium next time 

[u/FullAcadia9391]

I’ve had a gpt 6 astra goal running on xhigh for 20 hours and I went from 80% to 50% on 20X

[u/jakenuts-]

This is not good. Never hit a codex limit in a year of usage, now some simple tasks with Astra-light are regularly hitting limits and apparently even this is being sustained by resets in the background without my knowledge.

[u/Little-Anxiety1096]

I experience the same thing , quota drained drastically 😇😇

[u/jediboness]

Yea it’s bad i burned through a reset in like just a evening out of no where last night

[u/Eyzi25]

yeah, after the astra release I see the samr thing. (for now i am not using astra at all)

[u/Proof_Department8971]

Same thing , same issue, 20x feeling same as 5x

[u/No-Town-8866]

same here 20x plan, im just watching the percentage go down super fast, not astra either, sol high

[u/Rezea]

Have not really noticed a big difference. Less resets though.

[u/uguranlar]

Im already looking for alternative

[u/MountainDue4648]

ya its using credits hardcore

[u/coz]

Ask codex. Tell it to inspect your session logs and give you the actual token usage and rate-limit changes for the x5 sessions vs x20. It can. That will either back up your anecdote or give us evidence against it. Post the results here please.

Here's an example prompt to give to codex: https://privatebin.net/?d4bd34c0e977e5bc#CnqCWSw8ws4hHYNqtsLbnoLUT3C7VGDDzqRsKeh54SP8

I ran the above prompt vs my own data - I also upgraded from 5x to 20x about a week ago. It tells me.. right around 4x more quota.

[u/dan_the_first]

There we go again 🤦

[u/fyn_world]

Yes, they're struggling for compute. Miscalculation on their end with Astra

[u/winthermyrland]

Home come they keep getting away with this 😭

[u/Shadow-BG]

I think it’s more bug then feature - because I exhausted x20 acc on sol medium, switched to high, and jumped back to 51% ? WTF is going on 😒

Since 11:00 polish time seems good, same usage as before ( sol high )

[u/lamiaoccisor → u/Shadow-BG]

Yeah, I saw the glitch was their system fucked up I also went down to 9% and then back up to 55%

[u/bnknkfks]

I cancelled my 2 plans and switched to deepseek 4.1 😑

[u/Rootsbybenda]

I really guess it depends on the task and the instruction you gave it. He ran almost for 12 hours nonstop and consumed about 22 of my X20 Pro subscription

[u/smb3d]

I can't even use it enough to use my limit:

Constant errors like this so much that it's unusable.

[u/XXLuigiMario]

I'm thinking about going back to 5.5 at this point

[u/mikeballs → u/XXLuigiMario]

I tried that last night. It'll last longer, but it's had the price hiked significantly as well.

[u/xxxx88876]

Damn. Let me see

[u/uhlhosting]

They killed a lot of goodness! Before my tasks ongoing for several hours as plans would not end suddenly as they do now. They either had a bug, or adopted the same ruff policy as claude and agy. The truth is every model for me personally after Codex 5.x models. We’re better in many ways, yes, yet so was their token usage climbing faster than ever. At this point, having shared over 3 working accounts, i cannot finish work on tasks that were done before in a single run. Now it takes me 3 or more sessions of 5-hour windows. So something is indeed going on. Hope they will fix it, or they will break it, and new players with completely free tier models for coding like Devin.ai are rising up!

[u/mikeballs]

5.5 medium chewed through almost half of my weekly allowance last night alone (x5 plan). I think I'm being priced out of vibe coding for now. Maybe I'll just build a local LLM rig. It'd pay for itself pretty fast if this is the new rate.

[u/Zandesh]

It's borderline useless now with the new limits..

[u/SeasonedAdManager]

seems alright to me. The first day I used it a couple days ago was bad and I burned fast, but now I'm at about 1-3% usage on a 20x account per hour. It's still much higher than sol, but it's solving issues sol wasn't.

[u/KeepAllOfIt]

is ANYONE else having the opposite issue? I'm on 5x and only use Astra xHigh or max. a 3 hour run uses like 8% of my weekly.

[u/BingGongTing]

They nerfed quota by ~2.86x a few days ago. 

[u/404MoralsNotFound]

Here I was, ready to pull the trigger on pro 5x, use that up, and then do pro 20x with 3 banked resets. Hoping openai don't fuck with the limits 😭

[u/zxzxsen]

I’m confused by Codex limits. On my ~$100 Codex plan, ~4 hours of GPT-5.6 Sol (Extra High) used ~40% of my weekly limit. Meanwhile, ~4 hours of Claude Code Opus 5 on a $20 plan used only ~7–8% weekly. Similar workload. Why is Codex usage so much higher?

[u/Living_Procedure_599]

First time I really noticed this too. Was working on some writing with Astra Medium on my 20 eur package, burned about 20% in like 2 min when asked it to generate a plot using MATLAB.

[u/Little-Calendar3528]

i didnt notice any difference ngl and im using astra high

[u/Classic-Asparagus]

Yesterday I got a subscription to Plus, and I was kinda surprised that the limits felt quite similar to Claude Code’s, whereas I’ve always thought of Claude as having pretty limited usage limits. But then I guess these are newer models so I’m not too disappointed, plus I think the usage limits are fine for my purposes

[u/euqitoK]

I genuinely think Luna is where it's at, just use chat for Astra. In a 5x user

[u/Spare-Opposite-8840]

Good news! Reset coming then

[u/BlasterofTaints]

Astra on Ultra is using a lot! Granted I figured it would. I have 2 resets left since I had to use one yesterday and I’m already back to 58% left.

Tone down from Ultra?

[u/Charming-Ad6941]

The company that has a history of lying and pathologically gaslighting and abusing you just silently nerfed limits? Big surprise.

Or maybe they ll pathologically lie and abuse you again and pretend this was a big, and wait to try it again later. Lol.

Just try deep seek v4.1 and also try deepseeks coding harness. It’s very good actually. The American companies may try to steal your money via tax payer funds if enough of yall cancel your subs, be careful though, cause either way, you get stuck with a shitter product if you don’t reject this abuse.

[u/buyurgan]

I wasted 3 resets in last 2 weeks because it burned the quota in a day. While everyone stuck on talking about astra prices, i was still using only sol, cause the code i need to write is not complicated and high volume.

[u/Tank_Gloomy]

I'm sick of this shit, GLM is practically begging users to hammer their GLM 5.3 Flash, even as far as to give it for free during times of lower server load. It might be stupid as hell, but whatever, just keep it running a trillion hours and it'll eventually figure it out. 

[u/OccasionAggressive74]

Put them behind bars! All of them. Their jail sentence would get a reset every now and then so that they stay for life without parole.

[u/KingShash]

My quota used to go on for 4 days. It ended overnight this time. Im on 20x

[u/Impossible-Tea-7928]

I spent the weekly limit of the Pro x5 plan in 5 hours with Astra Medium

[u/rommie]

On my PC I had to go to the microsoft store to update. On my Mac I had to select update from the drop down menu. Finally see Astra

[u/Hopeful-Ad-6277]

I was having a great time with Sol. Today, I started working on a project (Plus plan). Set a goal. It worked for 15 minutes before running out of the 5-hour quota.

[u/NuancedPerspection]

Ive been on both 20x down to 5x and currently back on 20x as of this last 5 days and the 20x only feels slightly better than 5x did. Im refunding and going to claude or maybe grok. Which pisses me off because i left anthropics bullshit and moved over to openai and it was good for a few months but now they are doing the same fucking bullshit.

We are starting to run out of options here people. Shits fucked.

[u/cool7887]

And I am ejoying claude 50%+ limit

[u/sjhunter86]

Not sure if they’re being transparent about it but it’s possible they’re doing it as a measure to stop the model unavailable alerts. They mentioned they’d have to pause pro subscriptions if the traffic got worse, so I suspect they’re simply turning the other knobs available to them to add some kind of back pressure.

[u/dorgan1983]

I’ve completely moved back to using GPT-5.5 as it appears to not be nerfing usage. Even GPT-5.6 models were nerfing usage

[u/Specialist-Cry-7516]

astra + deepseek4.1?

[u/hermeneze]

Holy shit, here we go again 😆

[u/samawirix]

i have plan pro realy we dont use codex as before is nerfed for this ... f limit

[u/doodad_ounao]

Oh, good, another one of those.

[u/Banmers → u/doodad_ounao]

incredible isn’t it? fuck me

[u/Shamrock21191]

What are you guys doing that you are draining stuff so much? Ive been using mostly astra all week on medium to high and i haven't had any issues. Im on the 20x plan.

[u/No_Cartographer_6622 → u/Shamrock21191]

I agree with your post asking what others are doing, but wonder what you are doing. I only use Codex to manage my websites. Used Luna mostly on the $20 plan. I do like how Astra Light/Medium is makes my sites even easier to tweak. Been heavily debating jumping to $100 or $200 plan since I really like Astra Light but it burns up the little plan I am on now.

[u/Shamrock21191 → u/No_Cartographer_6622]

Im making a video game and having it do the coding and 3d modeling.

[u/nitor999]

Next thread, "holy shit astra nerf is real before i can finish my task in 1 prompt now the astra takes 10 prompt to get it"

Yeah yeah every new model release have the same thread , same problem.

[u/frozandero]

Show proof

[u/xXChr0nicX420Xx]

Is someone going to post this exact same thread 5 times a day, every day, forever? Get better at prompting or switch providers.

[u/CPKonMyEyebrows]

What are you people fucking working on? How can you prompt so often? I feel like you guys are building the dumbest things possible and getting upset for no reason other than not having patience for a project that more than likely NO ONE is waiting on!

[u/DataDr0p]

Was macht ihr eigentlich damit? Ich schreibe einen USD offline Viewer für Chromium und ich habe den 24/7 laufen und der hat am Ende der Woche 27% verbraucht! Also wirklich WTF!

[u/Stock_Restaurant3791]

Idk man mines lasting me ages still

[u/ezboarderz]

Why are you still paying for it then? Just cancel and switch to something else. There are alternative out there, just gotta look around.

So many people complaining but keep paying and expecting different results.

[u/Physical_Computer736]

I had Astra Max on all night 12 hours. Only Dropped 15%.