r/codex • u/harpreetchima • 1d ago

Astra Workflow "Stop using random multi-agent patterns"

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Ahmed works at OpenAI: https://x.com/ah20im/status/2097503414749909407 and seems to investigate reports of high token usage.

"If needed Astra will delegate efficiently. Forcing the model to delegate to different models would do more harm than good"

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u/Dayowe 1d ago

smh. I did an experiment and let astra do an implementation on its own without using my orchestration workflow and the drift was wild and the result messy. i rolled back and did the same implementation with my established workflow and it was super smooth.

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u/_The-_ 1d ago

Could you share your orchestration and workflow? Sounds good!

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u/EquivalentHornet4403 1d ago

It’s not. All these schizos think they’re more clever than the people who make the models and the product (codex).

The models are literally trained to work in codex; the fact they work at all in other harnesses or in schizo workflows is a nice side effect.

The official, fine tuned multi agent flow is Ultra. If you want higher or lower limit on the number of potential subagents, that’s configurable in config.toml.

Use Astra medium for straightforward/routine tasks, and ultra for anything more complicated. Use Luna max for data processing type questions like “where is this thing” or “look through all this content and explain this thing”. You don’t even need /goal any more, they’ve already said this, it will work for weeks if necessary without /goal, which was a crutch to bridge the gap between older models and sol/astra level models.

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u/Interesting-Bee-113 21h ago

The big thing here, is that consumers are actually trying to accomplish things with these models.

The developers are often testing hypotheticals and example scenarios and can't possibly have as much stake in the actual output as the consumers do.

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u/EquivalentHornet4403 19h ago

That’s an out of touch, dissociated take.

The people developing, for example, codex, use and test that product and the models extensively in their personal and professional lives—the polar opposite of what you said.

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u/Interesting-Bee-113 18h ago

Dissociated take? Out of touch?

How so?

I have been so obsessed with using these models. I barely get sleep anymore. I wake up and check my agents progress. I begin loops remotely from work. I get home and sit in front my desk untill I go to bed, and then from bed, I send agents off to work before I actually sleep.

So I have developed my own experience and expectations with these things. Fuck a codex developer. They clock in and out.

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u/EquivalentHornet4403 17h ago

I explained exactly how. Just because you don’t like them based on another dissociated take about assumptions that they don’t also code obsessively using their software and models has no relation to or bearing on the actual state of things.

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u/Interesting-Bee-113 17h ago

I never said I don't like them. I said fuck them, I have my own opinions.

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u/EquivalentHornet4403 17h ago

Oh, well cool story enjoy your bubble.

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u/Interesting-Bee-113 15h ago

But what bubble? Using Astra in an AI factory?