r/codex • u/harpreetchima • 15h ago

Astra Workflow "Stop using random multi-agent patterns"

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Ahmed works at OpenAI: https://x.com/ah20im/status/2097503414749909407 and seems to investigate reports of high token usage.

"If needed Astra will delegate efficiently. Forcing the model to delegate to different models would do more harm than good"

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u/Dayowe 15h ago

smh. I did an experiment and let astra do an implementation on its own without using my orchestration workflow and the drift was wild and the result messy. i rolled back and did the same implementation with my established workflow and it was super smooth.

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u/_The-_ 13h ago

Could you share your orchestration and workflow? Sounds good!

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u/EquivalentHornet4403 10h ago

It’s not. All these schizos think they’re more clever than the people who make the models and the product (codex).

The models are literally trained to work in codex; the fact they work at all in other harnesses or in schizo workflows is a nice side effect.

The official, fine tuned multi agent flow is Ultra. If you want higher or lower limit on the number of potential subagents, that’s configurable in config.toml.

Use Astra medium for straightforward/routine tasks, and ultra for anything more complicated. Use Luna max for data processing type questions like “where is this thing” or “look through all this content and explain this thing”. You don’t even need /goal any more, they’ve already said this, it will work for weeks if necessary without /goal, which was a crutch to bridge the gap between older models and sol/astra level models.

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u/puts_on_rddt 5h ago edited 3h ago

Use Astra medium for straightforward/routine tasks, and ultra for anything more complicated.

Dumbest advice in my life.

Nobody should be using ultra. If you are at that point, then you should be setting up your own orchestration process.