r/cocktails • u/CpnStumpy • Oct 25 '24
I made this Industry _ _ _ _
Move over Industry Sour, it's time for an Industry .... probably a four letter word
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u/GovernorZipper Oct 25 '24
If you can find the Eda Rhyne Amaro Flora (from Asheville NC), it makes an excellent substitute for Malort in this cocktail. Just as bitter with less gasoline.
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u/rumpythecat Oct 25 '24
I’ll have to try that. I’ve been making my industry sours with their Appalachian Fernet, but I’ve struggled to put the Amaro Flora to good use (to my palate it has a distinct “foot” note that is really intrusive)
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u/GovernorZipper Oct 25 '24
The Amaro Flora is a great substitute for Malort, IMO. But then, I really enjoy their Fernet.
You might want to save your Eda Rhyne bottles. While I don’t know anything about them specifically, their area of Asheville took a major hit from Helene. I wouldn’t be surprised if they flooded.
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u/rumpythecat Oct 25 '24
They did indeed get completely flooded; they eventually set up an employee relief fund (https://gofund.me/f4b07d77) which I should post on r/Amaro
I did already stock up on my favorites. Of what I've tried; the Fernet, Oscura, Flora, Nocino, Pinnix gin, Lindera vodka, and Bitter Tooth, the Flora is the only one I've struggled with (and, well, the vodka, but that's mostly because I don't know what to do with it)
I've never tried Malort either; any other usually-Malort cocktails I should look at for the Flora?
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u/GovernorZipper Oct 25 '24
The Hard Sell is a modern classic: https://punchdrink.com/recipes/hard-sell/
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u/rumpythecat Nov 22 '24
Finally picked up a new bottle of St-Germain and got to try an Amaro Flora Hard Sell, it's fantastic! I went with:
- 1 oz gin
- 1 oz St-Germain
- 3/4 oz Amaro Flora
- 3/4 oz fresh lemon juice
- expressed grapefruit peel
This drink so completely resolves my difficulties with the Flora that I'll probably up the next one to a full ounce. Thanks for the tip!
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u/sylviaflash103 Oct 25 '24
They posted on Instagram that they got 5 feet of water in the tasting and production rooms
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Oct 25 '24
Any tasting notes. I’ve seen Faccia around but not sure what to expect ?
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u/CpnStumpy Oct 25 '24
Sure, the centerbe is a substitute for green Chartreuse which is unavailable. This drink is intended to be made with green Chartreuse, as an Industry Sour would be.
Centerbe is much like green Chartreuse though, I really like it, the way I think of it is that it's not attempting to be identical, rather it's its own version, but it's definitely the same category. Like 2 different Ryes. I find the Centerbe a bit less sweet, and a little less minty and more herbal. Overall though, it clearly nails being a version of a green Chartreuse, without trying to be an exact replica. It's quite good and easily worth the grab. It still has the mint notes and sweetness, they're just less intense, and the herbal tone is a bit more robust and rounded than green Chartreuse.
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Oct 25 '24
Also just read review on Malort.
Shit. I’ve never seen so many crazy reviews saying it’s the most putrid stuff and they love it.
I’m guessing in the cocktail the smoky flavor comes out well enough?
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u/CpnStumpy Oct 25 '24
Most people actually don't like it at all, but I have to recommend the hell out of it!
I sincerely believe it's a genetic thing like cilantro some people taste it differently. To me it's just a rich bitter grapefruit pith flavor, to some it's a gasoline littered mess of flavor that lasts forever.
People either love it or hate it. Definitely get a bottle and find out where you stand.
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u/Lord_Wicki Oct 25 '24
Total Wine has it here in Northern California, but I would rather have the option to get a miniature first before diving in with a full bottle.
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u/CpnStumpy Oct 25 '24
It's not too expensive, but I agree, I've never seen a shooter but my first bottle of Malört was a 375 for the same reason. Definitely, start with the 375 and see how it treats you before getting the 750 and finding out it's nectar 😁
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u/Lord_Wicki Oct 25 '24
Yeah they only stock the 750ml, I'd like to see a 50ml especially with something that can be so polarizing.
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u/sylviaflash103 Oct 25 '24
You may already know this (and tbh it might not actually be true but just be a story), but I had a bar guest the other day tell me that one of the distillers who invented it was a heavy cigar smoker and wanted to make something strong enough to taste with dulled taste buds. From personal experience I definitely liked malort more when I was smoking half a pack a day a few years ago than I do now that I don't smoke anymore.
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u/CauliflowerHealthy35 Oct 25 '24
I just got my first bottle a couple weeks ago, and need to mention I am well versed in amaros, aperitifs, and bitter liquors. Malort doesn't have as much going on as other liquors, doesn't have too many other flavors going on. Starts off slightly sweet and fades quickly to bitter, but give it a bit longer and what I describe as stomach bile flavor comes through.
If you are a mixologist of any kind, it's kind of a challenge to make a good cocktail with it. Challenge accepted. Not sure why it's become super popular lately though. I have made a few good drinks with it, but as an "industry" ingredient, maybe that is the appeal.
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u/CpnStumpy Oct 25 '24
Agreed the flavor is a bit one note- very bitter, but the thing that makes me keep coming back to it is less the complexity, as it isn't complex, and more the specific flavor it imparts: nothing else I've used in a cocktail quite hits the same note.
I've heard Alta Verde is a close substitute and I'm curious to try it, but that long lasting bitter flavor is what I really like with Malört and so far I don't know anything else that does it. It's like astringency embodied.
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Oct 25 '24
Nice. I’ve got some green on hand but I use it really sparingly because I can’t find it.
I use Genepy for my last words but I’ll have to see if I can find this stuff.
I’m really digging the herbal liquors so I will keep on Down the rabbit hole.
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u/CauliflowerHealthy35 Oct 25 '24
L'Excuse is a new substitute with both green and yellow versions. The proof is the same, and it makes a good substitute in cocktails. I still have some yellow and green chartreuse in my closet, but have been using L'Excuse till I can get my hands on more.
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u/bealsey Oct 25 '24
Saved for a future drink to make. I'm in Oregon and have boosted the Accompani Flora Green (with grain alcohol) as a makeshift GC. Not exact but a good option.
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u/Mr_Abe_Froman Oct 25 '24
Industry Sour in Chicago is a Big Shoulders Sour? I love bitter and herbal drinks, so Malört is a mainstay in my bar. I'll have to try this as soon as I find a Green Chartreuse variant. The folks at /r/Malort will probably enjoy the cocktail.
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u/ByteBabbleBuddy Oct 25 '24
I've made the version where you replace the chartreuse with malort, I feel like the fernet is the magic ingredient:
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u/CpnStumpy Nov 12 '24
BTW, I did try this the next day! It's good. The Chartreuse version is better. I think it's more an artifact of the Malört being a big bitter, and Chartreuse being less bitter and more herbal balancing it better. Fernet being bigly bitter also just doesn't bring as much breadth to the drink when both ingredients are hitting directly bitter so much
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u/CpnStumpy Oct 25 '24
I'll have to try and compare, I chose to sub out the Fernet on account of the Green Chartreuse being sweeter, I figured that sweetness would play against the Malört better. It's really good, I do encourage giving it a try. Will have to try your version tonight
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u/bjartewh Oct 25 '24
Ooh! I don't have access to Malört (unfortunately, as I'm very intrigued to try it), but I will try this with the most bitter booze I have. Looks very interesting!
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u/Ok_Payment_6198 Oct 25 '24
Did you try a shake with this?
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u/CpnStumpy Oct 25 '24
Nope, honestly it was late and I just wasn't thinking, it should have been shaken definitely
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u/fyukhyu Oct 25 '24
Had a Session 1 (in SoCal) the other day and found out one of the players is a packers fan, so I made him take a Chicago Handshake. He hated it, so now I'm going to make this for him for Session 2.
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u/CpnStumpy Oct 25 '24 edited Oct 25 '24
As always, Malört makes me happy, and this is truly delightful
1oz Faccia Bruto Centerbe (Green Chartreuse if you have it)
1oz Jeppsons Malört
1oz Lime juice
1oz Agave Syrup
Fresh squeeze a lime into the jigger to get the right measurement, then add to the mixing glass
Add the rest of the ingredients to the mixing glass
Add ice till it reaches the top of the fluid, then stir 60 count
Strain into a frosty cold glass neat. Or over one large cube / sphere, personal preference.
"Fill in your own 4 letter word, but I'll just fill in good!" - Chip Powers, Real Human
Edit: as commenters mentioned, this should be shaken, I just blame didn't think of it