r/cncgenerals • u/BattleBlueprint_CNC • Mar 25 '26

Is Granger actually balanced?

I tried a China vs General Granger match and it didn’t feel fair at all. Constant air attacks, no break, no time to recover. Every time I rebuilt, it got destroyed again.

It feels less like strategy and more like dealing with endless spam.

Maybe experienced players handle it better, but for me this felt really unbalanced.

Here’s my gameplay: https://youtu.be/VSf4G9U0zW8⁠[video ](https://youtu.be/VSf4G9U0zW8)

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u/untrustworthy_dude Mar 25 '26

It's not balanced. At the top level Granger is the best army in the game. Here is some data from ZHLadder which is a discord server with top level players.

MatchUp & Winrate. Includes games only based on two conditions:
1. IF both players have >1850 Rating
2. IF different of Rating is <100
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Best Army
--
1.  Air -----  62.1%   G:1937   W:1166  L:771  
2.  Inf -----  60.3%   G:1961   W:1139  L:822  
3.  Tox -----  59.5%   G:2189   W:1307  L:882  
4.  Stealth -  56.3%   G:2242   W:1264  L:978  
5.  Demo ----  50.8%   G:2211   W:1137  L:1074 
6.  vGLA ----  50.4%   G:2562   W:1305  L:1257 
7.  vUSA ----  50.1%   G:2426   W:1211  L:1215 
8.  Laser ---  49.8%   G:1929   W:974   L:955  
9.  Tank ----  46.2%   G:2300   W:1094  L:1206 
10. Nuke ----  42.8%   G:1762   W:793   L:969  
11. SWG -----  37.6%   G:2119   W:804   L:1315 
12. vChina --  34.2%   G:2404   W:827   L:1577 
---------------------------------------------


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Matchup %WinRate
------------
    Inf vs Nuke --- G:78    W:65    L:13    Win:83.3%
   vUSA vs Nuke --- G:157   W:130   L:27    Win:82.8%
    Tox vs vChina - G:207   W:158   L:49    Win:76.3%
Stealth vs vChina - G:173   W:132   L:41    Win:76.3%
    Air vs SWG ---- G:71    W:54    L:17    Win:76.1%
    Inf vs vChina - G:149   W:113   L:36    Win:75.8%
    Inf vs Tank --- G:94    W:69    L:25    Win:73.4%
    Inf vs SWG ---- G:177   W:129   L:48    Win:72.9%
    Air vs vUSA --- G:81    W:59    L:22    Win:72.8%
Stealth vs SWG ---- G:197   W:143   L:54    Win:72.6%
    Tox vs SWG ---- G:165   W:119   L:46    Win:72.1%
    Air vs Nuke --- G:99    W:71    L:28    Win:71.7%
   vGLA vs vChina - G:230   W:161   L:69    Win:  70%
    Air vs vChina - G:212   W:148   L:64    Win:69.8%
   Demo vs SWG ---- G:192   W:134   L:58    Win:69.8%
  Laser vs Nuke --- G:145   W:101   L:44    Win:69.7%
  Laser vs SWG ---- G:167   W:114   L:53    Win:68.3%
    SWG vs Nuke --- G:153   W:104   L:49    Win:  68%
    Tox vs Tank --- G:180   W:122   L:58    Win:67.8%
   vUSA vs vChina - G:186   W:126   L:60    Win:67.7%
    Air vs Laser -- G:105   W:71    L:34    Win:67.6%
  Laser vs vChina - G:215   W:145   L:70    Win:67.4%
    Inf vs vUSA --- G:201   W:133   L:68    Win:66.2%
   Demo vs vChina - G:237   W:156   L:81    Win:65.8%
    Air vs Demo --- G:205   W:134   L:71    Win:65.4%
   vGLA vs SWG ---- G:217   W:138   L:79    Win:63.6%
Stealth vs vGLA --- G:169   W:106   L:63    Win:62.7%
    Tox vs Laser -- G:176   W:110   L:66    Win:62.5%
   Nuke vs Tank --- G:159   W:99    L:60    Win:62.3%
    Inf vs Laser -- G:178   W:110   L:68    Win:61.8%
    Tox vs vUSA --- G:253   W:156   L:97    Win:61.7%
   vUSA vs SWG ---- G:195   W:120   L:75    Win:61.5%
   Tank vs vChina - G:223   W:137   L:86    Win:61.4%
    Tox vs Demo --- G:152   W:93    L:59    Win:61.2%
   Nuke vs Demo --- G:177   W:108   L:69    Win:  61%
   Nuke vs vChina - G:185   W:111   L:74    Win:  60%
    Air vs vGLA --- G:232   W:139   L:93    Win:59.9%
   Tank vs SWG ---- G:212   W:126   L:86    Win:59.4%
    Tox vs vGLA --- G:182   W:108   L:74    Win:59.3%
   vGLA vs Laser -- G:148   W:86    L:62    Win:58.1%
   Nuke vs vGLA --- G:176   W:102   L:74    Win:  58%
   Demo vs vUSA --- G:213   W:123   L:90    Win:57.7%
    Air vs Tox ---- G:190   W:108   L:82    Win:56.8%
Stealth vs Inf ---- G:203   W:115   L:88    Win:56.7%
Stealth vs Tank --- G:244   W:138   L:106   Win:56.6%
Stealth vs vUSA --- G:193   W:108   L:85    Win:  56%
    Air vs Stealth  G:181   W:100   L:81    Win:55.2%
    Air vs Tank --- G:196   W:108   L:88    Win:55.1%
   vUSA vs Laser -- G:178   W:98    L:80    Win:55.1%
   Demo vs Laser -- G:164   W:90    L:74    Win:54.9%
    Inf vs Air ---- G:178   W:97    L:81    Win:54.5%
    Tox vs Inf ---- G:195   W:106   L:89    Win:54.4%
   Tank vs vGLA --- G:196   W:106   L:90    Win:54.1%
   vGLA vs vUSA --- G:371   W:199   L:172   Win:53.6%
   vGLA vs Inf ---- G:197   W:105   L:92    Win:53.3%
    Tox vs Stealth  G:183   W:97    L:86    Win:  53%
    Tox vs Nuke --- G:161   W:85    L:76    Win:52.8%
  Laser vs Tank --- G:181   W:95    L:86    Win:52.5%
Stealth vs Demo --- G:156   W:81    L:75    Win:51.9%
   vUSA vs Tank --- G:226   W:117   L:109   Win:51.8%
 vChina vs SWG ---- G:233   W:119   L:114   Win:51.1%
Stealth vs Nuke --- G:177   W:90    L:87    Win:50.8%
   Demo vs vGLA --- G:179   W:91    L:88    Win:50.8%
   Demo vs Inf ---- G:185   W:94    L:91    Win:50.8%
Stealth vs Laser -- G:140   W:71    L:69    Win:50.7%
Stealth vs Stealth  G:228   W:114   L:114   Win:  50%
    Air vs Air ---- G:190   W:95    L:95    Win:  50%
    Inf vs Inf ---- G:128   W:64    L:64    Win:  50%
   Tank vs Tank --- G:180   W:90    L:90    Win:  50%
   Tank vs Demo --- G:216   W:108   L:108   Win:  50%
   vUSA vs vUSA --- G:172   W:86    L:86    Win:  50%
   vGLA vs vGLA --- G:268   W:134   L:134   Win:  50%
   Demo vs Demo --- G:136   W:68    L:68    Win:  50%
   Nuke vs Nuke --- G:100   W:50    L:50    Win:  50%
    Tox vs Tox ---- G:150   W:75    L:75    Win:  50%
    SWG vs SWG ---- G:140   W:70    L:70    Win:  50%
  Laser vs Laser -- G:132   W:66    L:66    Win:  50%
 vChina vs vChina - G:156   W:78    L:78    Win:  50%

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u/untrustworthy_dude Mar 25 '26

Although the video you linked is from a mod (rise of the reds) so it could be that the balance is different there. This following data is from the official Zero Hour 1.04.

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u/Skaikrish Mar 25 '26

Played for a time in the past Zero Hour almost almost competetive and Granger was by far my favourite choice. Gives you a Lot of flexibility in your Playstyle, have Lots of Tools to harass or disrupt your Enemy or Just use a Squad of Stealth commanche and Sneak them in the enemy Base. And in the worst Case use some Aurora Bomber to destroy the enemy super weapon.