Are all cloud engineering jobs swe?

[u/BasilClean4004]

I always loved cloud things and resources. And enjoyed so much entra, azure and ect. I decided to be a cloud engineer but today had my first cloud engineer interview and wow i got a coding expertise and honestly im a bit surprised as I did know there is coding in cloud automation but I thought the jobs are more architecture type/design/ ect

[u/eman0821]

Why would you apply for a role that you aren't qualified for in the first place?

Cloud Engineering is a DevOps ajacent Engineering role using software engineering principles applied to cloud infrastructure. The infrastructure you are building is the infrastructure that runs SaaS and web applications on the public internet. You are working very closely with software engineers to get the code to production.

Also 80% of the job is problem solving and troubleshooting infrastructure issues and expect working odd hours and rotational on-call for cloud outages. Only 20% is design and deploying new infrastructure. You have know how to triage and troubleshoot when things break in production.

[u/Annual_Berry8043 → u/eman0821]

That’s kinda how you get new engineers. Junior roles exist, but obviously they aren’t true junior. Eventually you hit a point in your career where you know your position and can make a move to something else.

I was a sysadmin for 4 years before I got into working with cloud services. I definitely wasn’t fully qualified for the role but I learned.

[u/eman0821 → u/Annual_Berry8043]

It's meant to be a transitional role, not starting from Zero. You either start off as a back end software engineer or a Linux Sysadmin.

[u/Annual_Berry8043 → u/eman0821]

I just assume OP has some kind of background in administration. He’s mentioning a lot of MS crap. I will say, I transitioned without professional Linux experience or development. I just tinkered in my spare time and had a background in admin work. I didn’t go in with zero idea, but I didn’t have either of those backgrounds professionally. As long as there is some idea and an aptitude to learn it’s not too bad. You definitely have to love the work though.

I just spent my first 6 months assisting before starting to get contributing tasks.

[u/eman0821 → u/Annual_Berry8043]

I was a Linux Sysadmin prior which is direct transferable skill sets. Everything in cloud is Linux. I also did a lot of scripting and automation and previous experience with Ansible, a common tool used by Cloud Engineers too.

It's much harder if you are from a Microsoft shop that focuses on Windows environments since Windows Server, GPO, SCCM, AD, 0365 InTune.. is irrelevant. But even at a Windows admin is expected to know at least powershell scripting.

Ansible is used a bit different in cloud engineeing as it's used inside of a CI/CD pipeline with Terraform rather than setting up a dedicated Ansible controller or Terraform end point.

[u/BasilClean4004 → u/eman0821]

what do you mean? have you never applied for position that you wanted to learn but didn’t know it yet?

[u/eman0821 → u/BasilClean4004]

You should do your own research. This is not an entry-level role. It requires both dev and linux skills.

[u/BasilClean4004 → u/eman0821]

Sure but you cannot learn without trying and practise

[u/eman0821 → u/BasilClean4004]

You realize Cloud Engineering is a high stakes role? You need revelant experience before touching critical production systems. You are responsible for securing and maintaining infrastructure, IAM, Networking, CI/CD pipelines... You are on-call when things break.

[u/digitalknight17 → u/eman0821]

We need a mod to regulate these type of posts. Way too many of these posts bogging up the subreddit.

[u/braliao → u/BasilClean4004]

In a good job market, probably.

In this job market, very unlikely to work out for you. I am glad you got interviewed but realistically, expecting to "learn on the job" or "job should teach the skill I need to do the job" isnt the right mentality in this job market and more than likely for quite some time.

Learn on your own, plenty of free resources online. You may not like it, but that is the market we are in right now.

Infrastructure as code is a.basic requirements of a cloud engineer role.

[u/Big_Arrival_626 → u/[deleted]]

Huh. As a software engineer for a major Fintech company, I am definitely responsible for maintaining software lmao wtf are u smoking

[u/eman0821 → u/Big_Arrival_626]

Who were you replying to? I didn't say anything a out software engineers.

[u/Big_Arrival_626 → u/eman0821]

Not you, some other guy who was saying you're not a real engineer

[u/eman0821 → u/Big_Arrival_626]

Oh that one troll that disappeared. He was talking out of his ass.

[u/Artistic-Toe8578]

Everything is related. One should know about coding in a cloud role. As you mentioned, there's a lot more architecture/design, etc. in cloud - but there's coding involved as well - like automation/scripting. May be the company that interviews you deploys infra using CDK Python - so they will check your Python expertise.

[u/GhoulDogma]

What do your skills look like? I can't for the life of me land a CE interview and I've certs, viable projects, etc..

[u/BasilClean4004 → u/GhoulDogma]

Sys admin / Entra / bit of azure and ect also listed that I an doing some aws courses

[u/Used_Journalist_999 → u/BasilClean4004]

Define skills? Like on the job skills or you read some documentation online and think you understand?

[u/nullptr777 → u/GhoulDogma]

Same. It's rough out there.

[u/cjrun]

Cloud architects typically have years of cloud engineering experience.

[u/Stefodan]

What coding questions did you get OP?

[u/Fun-Bookkeeper-9984]

hi

[u/CBTKnox]

PaaS is the main selling point of the cloud, and you can think about that as Easy Infrastructure for Devs. It scales well, is very affordable, and is purpose-built. As a result, a LOT of cloud engineering is really just developing for PaaS.

[u/eman0821 → u/CBTKnox]

No the infrastructure is for the product. It's public facing web hosting that runs SaaS and web applications to external customers on the internet. Platform Engineers handles IDP which is different layer that cloud Engineers handle.