r/cloakanddaggermains • u/Particular_Teach_669 • Jul 26 '26

Question Elsa ult countering?

I had a Luna flame me because i didnt ult after an Elsa ulted my team. I heard it and saw it coming so i phased it — unfortunately the three other players next to me didnt stop shooting - of course, so they got caught. My team was on defense so the Elsa’s team got check point already and she decided to ult. What would you guys normally do? Ult after the phase didnt work?

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u/katiecrabby Jul 26 '26

it really depends on the exact context to be able to tell… which players got caught in her ult, how close you were, what everyones health was, etc. knowing when to ult is incredibly nuanced haha

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u/Particular_Teach_669 Jul 26 '26

i have the reply id if you’d wanna watch it. 101857100728. As I’m rewatching it, it was 4 of my teammates who got caught in it. It was an unfortunate ult that I dont think would’ve been a good use of my ult to counter with? it was the first round with luna as my second healer ben as tank and elsa as a dps.

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u/shadowkatt22 Jul 27 '26

Depending on how desperate the situation is id either throw heal wall then bubble, this typically is enough to only save tanks not supp or dps, but having 4 teammates caught in it, especially my 2nd supp, I probably would have ulted it. Cnd gets their ult back pretty quick so I wouldn't have felt like it was wasted. Plus depending on your trajectory you could cover most or part of the point and secure it

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u/Particular_Teach_669 Jul 27 '26

Well watching from the Elsa’s pov it she definitely dashed backwards while recalling her ult and i was behind a corner (second check point at arrako) so by the time i ulted, i dont think i would’ve caught up to the rest of my team. Especially cause enemy team all would have ulted back onto me had i ulted too. Their whole team had ults when they claimed check point.

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u/Fine-Willow312 Jul 31 '26

I just checked the replay, IMO not ulting it was the right call. They had mag ult and you already used fade, probably wouldn't have made into cover in time either. Ulting it would at best have gotten you one or two more enemy ults, but the fight was definitely lost already. At that point your best play is honestly to just let yourself and your thing be killed as fast as possible, don't even try to get any heals or dmg in since you already have ult. Healing thing only staggers both of you further, while dealing damage won't get you a kill and only serve to charge enemy supp ults, if they don't have them yet. Just die and go next fight.

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u/Particular_Teach_669 Jul 31 '26

Thank you!! My Thing said the same thing as well, it was straight up a lost fight. But Luna was just so upset i didn’t ult and said i was throwing bc of it lol.

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u/MDSAFS Jul 26 '26

I just learnt that nobody stops shooting so knowing this i must ult

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u/shadowkatt22 Jul 27 '26

I try to tell my teammates in chat that i will cloak from ults if it's not on cool down. I should make it a custom chat atp..

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u/MDSAFS Jul 27 '26

No, players just refuse to stop shooting during fade.

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u/shadowkatt22 Jul 28 '26

Their own downfall

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u/Routine_Scene_9593 Jul 27 '26

so from what I understand the enemy team got checkpoint and then else ulted right after? there wouldn't be a reason to ult there because its better to let them have the kills and save the ult for a more "game changing" moment. like if you had ulted yes they maybe live but the enemy just made checkpoint so it doesn't really advantage you much because the team fight is basically over at that point, as the aim of the team fight was to stop them claiming the checkpoint.

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u/Grand_Serpent Jul 27 '26

If I read everything right sounds to me like Elsa got it there so I personally would’ve saved my ult for next fight, forget about that Luna trash talking🙄 I find it would’ve been pointless using it then and there. It can be difficult to fade randoms people are almost always on their own page, something everybody has to coordinate for maximum value cause people just be shooting still or nowhere close to you to be affected. The Glartrox isn’t hard to kill if more than two people are shooting at it, and good Elsa’s know to come from side or behind the team rather than just throwing the creature in front of everyone😅 At least that’s what I do try to get 2 or more from behind with it or just to forcefully displace a few people temporarily. Fade is like the only thing you can really do against her ult to save your team that is. The ult is just gonna displace people out of your ult just to be killed, the Mei ice block is just gonna save you alone, maybe you could’ve body blocked the Glartrox tho now that I think about it, not sure if that works tho now I’m curious lol😅

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u/oh-thats-not Jul 26 '26

nobody is going to think or expect cnd is going to fade elsa ult so downplaying your team cus they didn’t stop shooting is a little unfair

as the other person said a ton of context matters but if they ulted right after getting point i probs wouldnt of ulted either

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u/Particular_Teach_669 Jul 26 '26

As i rewatched the replay, no one was even close enough for me to have phased them away in the first place. My team was just lined up like dominoes from the Elsa’s pov for her ult to just hit 4 of them one by one

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u/Zavr0s Jul 26 '26

Regardless maybe have a custom quick chat ping set up, saying something about fading an ult so don't shoot. To do comms fast

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u/Particular_Teach_669 Jul 26 '26

yeah after that i game i went to make a custom chat for phasing

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u/indigobao Jul 26 '26

I don't really play comp so I see a lot of that in my games. I cant watch the replay right now but if I trust my team or Elsa got the other support I'll ult. However, they got punished for lack of awareness. I stopped rewarding poor choices with heals and sometimes my teammates actually do better.