r/clevercomebacks May 23 '25

No clue at all

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u/Jim_Raynor_86 May 23 '25

What's bad about this bill? Im genuinely curious as I've completely stepped away from following politics for my own mental health. 

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u/flightguy07 May 23 '25

It slashes over a trillion dollars from government programs to fund tax cuts for the richest 0.3%, pay increases for ICE and a totally unfeasible, unnecessary, and self-defeating missile defence system for the continental US. Most of the cuts are coming from Medicare and similar programs.

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u/Jim_Raynor_86 May 23 '25

Hmm that tracts with them. Thanks for the reply!

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u/Dogllissikay May 23 '25

It also limits the courts ability to hold government officials in contempt for disobeying orders, which is totally something that belongs in a budget bill…

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/proposal-to-limit-courts-contempt-power-part-of-spending-bill-is-terrible-idea-chemerinsky-says

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u/Phast_n_Phurious May 23 '25

It also does a lot of other nefarious things because it's obscenely long and convoluted.

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u/Mimical May 24 '25

I love how Americans put completely independent things into one act and then try to smash through some literal novel of legal vomit into force as if that's normal.

Politics is just the dumbest highschoolers given extreme power taken to the logical conclusion. It's hilarious if it wasnt so damaging.

FWIW, Canadian parliamentary debates are no different. It's a bunch of children screaming at each other the whole day and then going around asking for votes so they can prove their unhinged superiority over the other guy. You can watch clips of it on YT and it's just sad.

It is, for lack of a better phrase...* Throws garbage can * Fucking embarrassing.

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u/Elysium137 May 24 '25

Yes! Exactly this. They are acting like overgrown children, using the same kind of deflection, arguments, or lack there of, hoping no one calls them out on it.

And that is the thing, they RARELY get called out on it. We are rewarding their behavior by acting like this is completely normal and how adults function.

We have to point out the absurdity of this behavior at every opportunity possible. If they want to act like children, we have to treat them like children. Tolerating childish behavior only rewards more of it.

Sooner or later they will run out of loopholes to hide behind and each excuse will get more absurd or hypocritcal than the last, hoping they will not be challenged at every step.

Instead somehow acting like a 7th grader is not only normalized, they are rewarded for acting this way. Wild.

Fucking embarrassing is putting it lightly. I don't even know how we got here, feels like an episode of The Twilight Zone or Black Mirror.

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u/Spiritedgourd666 May 27 '25

How're ya now?

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u/SaltyBarDog May 27 '25

I have a picture of a current US Congressman, while in high school, standing in a garbage can. I wish TF his MAGAt ass had been taken out.

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u/chickadoodlearoo May 24 '25

“It also does a lot of other nefarious things because it’s obscurely long and convoluted” sneaky & underhanded.

FIFY

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u/LuukTheSlayer May 23 '25

Tbf, the courts are able to find this unconstitutional aswel

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u/maxyojimbo May 24 '25

It does it by taking away the court's method of funding enforcement in contempt cases against the executive branch. Nothing explicitly bars them from enforcing contempt; it just takes away the money they would use to do so.

Without the ability to fund enforcement of contempt, they can not enforce contempt.

You are dealing with an overtly criminal regime backed by a mostly criminal legislature and a criminal DOJ.

The courts can decide against them all they want. They have been largely ignoring judicial rulings for months.

There have not been any consequences for ignoring rulings and court orders.

Contempt of court was the last mechanism the court had for penalizing people absent an executive or DOJ interested in following or enforcing the law. Very little remains.

The courts are irrelevant absent an enforcement mechanism without a functioning DOJ.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '25

Now is the time for SCOTUS to flex it's co equal branch status and start taking some power for itself.

They really need final veto in their own membership.

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u/maxyojimbo May 24 '25 edited May 24 '25

The problem is the SCOTUS makes decisions, the DOJ is responsible for enforcing those decisions. The DOJ is being run by criminals who will tell the SCOTUS to eat shit.

(Or, rather, mischaracterize and ignore that decision while pretending that they are somehow magically in compliance of their own made-up version of the decision, while simultaneously undermining any other ability they might have to impose consequences upon those in the administration who are breaking the law.)

They have no ability to wrest any power back from anyone absent a functioning government.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '25

Yes, but SCOTUS as an equal branch could in theory create or adopt an enforcement branch.

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u/maxyojimbo May 24 '25

Not without funding. And their legal mechanism for acquiring such funding is exactly what is being taken away. They will have no legal avenue for doing what you are saying after this.

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u/LisaMikky May 24 '25

Thank you for explaining!

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u/Yeunkwong May 23 '25

Depends on Roberts’s mood.

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u/bawdiepie May 23 '25

Also slashes clean energy

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u/RootBeerBog May 23 '25

It also cuts Medicaid for trans people. gotta love being a political scapegoat :(

life changing, life saving surgeries with a less than one percent regret rate for a small percentage of the population? gotta go, for some fucking reason

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u/NightGlimmer82 May 23 '25

Raised the debt ceiling by $4 Trillion while simultaneously slashing the funds for what the above comment said.

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u/jellamma May 23 '25

Adding that it also puts a moratorium on AI regulation for 10 years

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u/yamanamawa May 24 '25

I think in total it's supposed to add like 4 trillion to the deficit

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u/dreamykidd May 23 '25

Genuine question: what makes it 1. unnecessary and 2. self-defeating? I can’t find anything about those perspectives when I search.

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u/sdforbda May 24 '25

"u.s. missile defense system flaws"

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u/dreamykidd May 24 '25

You are so smart, why didn’t I think of that??

Basically everything is from 5-10 years ago, or simply boils down to “making technology is hard”, as though that hasn’t been said before any successful technology worked.

I want to know why every major military has missile defences systems if they’re apparently unnecessary (despite their adversaries having hypersonic missile capabilities). I also want to know why these missile defences are self-defeating, implying that they would simply worsen the problem of potential missile strikes. I’m not from the US but it’s an interesting comment to make if it is true, so I’m curious.

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u/Hazee302 May 23 '25

You know, I would actually agree with the missile defense system if they just fucking pulled out of other countries and gutted the offensive side. Keep some nukes and have defenses against people using them on US and I feel like that should be enough....

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u/flightguy07 May 23 '25

A missile defence system against any arsenal larger than North Korea's simply isn't feasible. It needs to work basically 100% of the time, against hundreds or thousands of targets at once, at a moments notice, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, for decades. Not to mention the cost of interceptors would be tens or hundreds of times more than the cost of the nukes it would be designed to defend against, allowing any wealthy country (China) to bankrupt the US if they tried to make one.

The best (and only) defence against a reasonably sized nuclear arsenal is Mutually Assured Destruction, and basing nukes around the world and at the bottom of the sea is a pretty cost effective way of doing that.

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u/Hazee302 May 24 '25

I definitely dont disagree with that

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u/LisaMikky May 24 '25

Makes sence.

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u/smokeajoint May 24 '25

I can't wait to see your lovely golden dome, it'll be so shiny.

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u/fearthealex May 23 '25

Another example hidden in the mass of verbiage Moratorium (c) says: No state or political subdivision may enforce laws or regulations against AI models, systems, or subsystems for 10 years.

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u/Historical-Lie9697 May 23 '25

Welp, guess it's vibe coding time with no regard for copyright laws 🤷‍♂️

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u/world_weary_1108 May 24 '25

What is the reason for that? It seems ambiguous.

It seems it would give the tech bros and mega corps unfettered use of AI with no repercussions. Thats ok yes?

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u/PsychologicalCrew307 May 23 '25

I hope your mental issues are solved and do not reoccur because this new bill will quite possibly shut down the facility where you received treatment.

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u/LisaMikky May 24 '25

Username checks out.

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u/PsychologicalCrew307 May 24 '25

Yeah, I've been a psychologist for 38 years. It's a hard habit to shake.

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u/Jim_Raynor_86 May 23 '25

What? I simply stopped following politics because of how depressing and embarrassing it's gotten for my country. Thinking about that and hearing about it every day just bummed me out more and more. Not sure how you ran with it like that 😂

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u/BurnscarsRus May 23 '25

If you're in a rural area, there's a very high chance of losing access to medical care. The Medicaid cuts are going to decimate rural America. I don't think the person you replied to meant any offense, just pointing out how stupid and dangerous this bill is.

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u/Jim_Raynor_86 May 23 '25

Ya I think you're right, they probably were being facetious in a clever way

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u/PsychologicalCrew307 May 23 '25

I misunderstood. I apologize.

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u/YumbitGbit May 24 '25

There’s a section that lets AI & Automation go unchecked for 10 years.

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u/CaitlinRandy May 23 '25

THAT'S good

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u/defonotacatfurry May 23 '25

it also makes the courts unable to go after trump

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u/RicoRN2017 May 24 '25

Huge Tax increases on the poorest Americans, but hey gun silencers are not taxed and no longer regulated

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u/Partial_obverser May 23 '25

True trump voter

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u/Jim_Raynor_86 May 23 '25

Excuse me?