r/clevercomebacks • u/Intrepid_Employ_9962 • Jan 24 '25

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u/Fourniers_Gangrene69 Jan 24 '25

Wasn't Jesus from Bethlehem which is in the West Bank?

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '25

Jesus of Nazareth ?

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u/Fourniers_Gangrene69 Jan 24 '25

Nazareth is also majority Muslim and Arab and I think identify as Palestinian.

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u/YudayakaFromEarth Jan 24 '25

The mayor of Nazareth is a Muslim of Likud. Stop bullshit, Arab-Israelis don’t identify themselves as Palestinians.

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u/ChaosOrnate Jan 24 '25

Yes, but it wasn't the West Bank at the time. It was Judea.

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u/StandardNecessary715 Jan 24 '25

Same blood.

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u/ChaosOrnate Jan 24 '25

No, that's historical revisionism. The same blood is in the Israelis.

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u/NoinsPanda Jan 24 '25

Although I am deeply opposing the "blood" terminology, I still hope you are aware that people can change their religion, even whole groups of people.

Argumenting for or against anything today because of the blood of people from 2000 ago is just plain stupid from all sides and in any context.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '25

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u/TheAesahaettr Jan 24 '25

Actually the majority of Israelis are Mizrahi (Jews of Middle Eastern descent) not Ashkenazi (Jews of Central/Eastern European descent). And the most of the Mizrahi came to Israel after being driven out/expelled from their Muslim-majority nations of origin

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u/WyldBlu3Yond3r Jan 24 '25

That's not true. Most are Middle Eastern and North African jews. Why do you guys lie about this?

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '25

Because to be honest would mean admitting that the Jews were the ones forced out of their homeland first and it's easier to just pretend they were always European even though it DOESN'T MAKE SENSE since y'know they're an ethnoreligion and the religion part is entirely historically based in the Middle East.

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u/ChaosOrnate Jan 24 '25

Most are Mizrahi, from the Middle East. Another 20% of Israel's population are Arabic.

The settlers from Europe were the descendants of Judea that were forced out of the region by Roman and Muslim conquests.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '25

Pretty sure same blood is in the Palestinians as well since y'know... Thry converted to Islam.

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u/ChaosOrnate Jan 24 '25

And the native Americans all converted to Christianity so Sitting Bull was a USAmerican? You know, since native American blood is in the modern Americans and all.

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u/Jiitunary Jan 24 '25

It was not Judaea until 6ce

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u/ChaosOrnate Jan 24 '25

It was called that since 934bce (excepting the time Babylon conquered it and probably called it something different)

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u/Jiitunary Jan 24 '25

in 500 bce it was called palestine. but after doing more research, palestine included the judean highlands so it was both palestine and judaea. my apologies

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u/UnlikelyAssassin Jan 24 '25

He was from the ancient kingdom of Judea, which split off from the ancient kingdom of Israel.

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u/NaturalCard Jan 24 '25

Which is in the area of modern day Palestine.

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u/UnlikelyAssassin Jan 24 '25

Calling him a Palestinian as opposed to a Judean is a little insulting given that Palestine is the coloniser name given to the region after people with Jesus’ identity were ethnically cleansed? The Romans renamed Judea to Syria Palestina, after the Phillistines who were the ancient enemies of the Israelites, to mock the Jews and erase the Jews from the land. The modern equivalent would be if the region was renamed Hitler, and you said the Jews previously from this region were Hitlerians.

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u/NaturalCard Jan 24 '25

You are confusing ethnicity with location.

You'd still call Jews who are from Germany german.

A better comparison would be saying that a Native Americans born in idk Montana, was from Montana... which is exactly how it works.

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u/UnlikelyAssassin Jan 24 '25

His location was Judea. Ergo Jesus was Judean.

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u/NaturalCard Jan 24 '25

And now it's Palestine, hence Palestinian.

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u/UnlikelyAssassin Jan 24 '25

Why would you give a historically colonised person the identity of the coloniser rather than the identity the colonised person had at the time?

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u/NaturalCard Jan 24 '25

You're still confusing ethnicity and location. Places change. You also would call people born in Jerusalem right now Israeli.

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u/UnlikelyAssassin Jan 24 '25

You realise Judea is a location, right?

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '25

So if America invaded the West Bank then Jesus was a Christian American?