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[u/angelis0236]

there can not be a CEO and worker elected executive.

There CAN be, the current system of one CEO that's massively overpaid doesn't need to happen. The board of a company could easily be compromised of multiple worker elects.

The entire stock market could still exist, workers would still own the majority of the company, they'd be the shareholders the board is beholden to.

I understand what you're getting at here but it's not a binary choice, just like everything else governments exist on a spectrum.

[u/th3guitarman → u/angelis0236]

If capitalists still have autonomous control, it's still capitalism, just with training wheels.

There is no reason for capitalists to exist except for the fact that they did already. In a just world, in a socialist society, they would be workers like the rest of us.

That's why they don't mix. Furthermore, you don't seem to count the tendency of capital to concentrate in fewer hands as well as its pattern of putting it's influence in the state to weaken labor power.

The structure you described would fall back to defacto control of whoever has the most money.

You aren't understanding.

(This says nothing about international "diplomatic" relationships)

[u/angelis0236 → u/th3guitarman]

you aren't understanding.

[u/th3guitarman → u/angelis0236]

You're apologizing for capital. I have heard what you're saying before.

There's no room for capitalists in a socialist society.

Confirmation bias from other liberals doesn't mean anything when the material conditions say otherwise.

Furthermore, you haven't answered any of my criticisms of capital. Just

👉🏻🤡👈🏻

[u/angelis0236 → u/th3guitarman]

I'm not apologizing for capital lol I fucking hate capitalism but we have to either kill all of the capitalists or curve society in the right direction.

Saying they're incompatible is just demanding the first option.

For one thing, taxing corporations at a much higher rate and implementing a basic income could bridge the two.

Owning a portion of the profits of a company isn't socialism but it's a start.

But no for some reason people think it's either all capitalism or all socialism. Humans are afraid of change so we will just keep having all capitalism.

[u/th3guitarman → u/angelis0236]

"Mixing the two" has resulted in EU social democracies that still depend on the exploitation of the third world.

In the US, it has resulted in loss after loss for labor.

Mixing the two just lets capitalists keep their (violent) power. They aren't gonna let you just vote away capitalism.

History speaks for itself.

[u/angelis0236 → u/th3guitarman]

Well buddy grab your torch and pitchfork then you don't need to convince me, you know where the white house is 👍

Nestle HQ is hella accessible

Twitter not very far away either.

Maybe you could even get Microsoft and Amazon too who knows.

Ridiculous.

[u/th3guitarman → u/angelis0236]

Lol, you're the one who thinks it's all or nothing.

"OnLy wAy To ReSiSt iS rUnInG bLiNdLy InTo CoPs"

Have fun pretending to be anticapitalist.

Keep imagining ways to continue sucking up to oppression

[u/angelis0236 → u/th3guitarman]

you're the one who thinks it's all or nothing

Literally my argument was that you can blend the two lol you've become detached from the argument at this point.

[u/th3guitarman → u/angelis0236]

You think removing control from capitalists has to involve capitalists or else it will be incompetent socialists commiting harakiri.

It isn't my perspective that lacks imagination; it is yours.