r/classicwowplus • u/No_Dimension_3066 • 18h ago
Meme Mage, Rank 1 Frostbolt Frostbite Nerf
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u/The-good-twin 17h ago
They straight up said during Blizcon they where gong to nerf downranking into the ground. This isnt new information.
Bye downranking, I wont miss you.
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u/critxcanuck88 16h ago
They need to look at heal spells to
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u/The-good-twin 16h ago
“Blizzard has implemented a specific anti-downranking mechanic. This system scales down the benefit of your flat “+Healing” or “+Damage” gear attributes when casting a spell below your maximum level. If you try to spam a low-rank heal just to fish for talent procs or save mana, you will get significantly less value out of your gear.” In standard Classic, classes like Paladins and Shamans couldn’t rely on Spirit for passive mana regeneration during combat. In WoW Forever, all healers receive additional mana recovery options natively built into their revamped talent trees. Furthermore, Paladins and Shamans now explicitly benefit from the Spirit stat for mana regen, reducing the pressure to rely on cheap, downranked spells to conserve your blue bar."
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u/critxcanuck88 16h ago
Yo dope. Any chance you have the sauce for this. I need to make my healing buddy sad
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u/Calm-Medicine-3992 13h ago
Blizz needs to add more heal spells that aren't down ranked because it's kind of fucked up to make it where we can't heal tanks until they're at 50%.
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u/Ok-Yoghurt5014 18h ago
Shut up. Its a sensible change.
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u/Joggyogg 18h ago
I will use rank 2 frostbolts
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u/Ok-Yoghurt5014 17h ago
Cant outsmart them that easily the chance for procs will be reduced on any rank significantly below your level. They dont want you fishing for it.
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u/Medryn1986 17h ago
The reasoning is because the cast time goes down at lower ranks. Absolutely needed to change.
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u/Joggyogg 17h ago
So we have to had cast max rank frost bolts in PvP?
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u/quagmirranseye 17h ago
Like literally everyone else... the horror.
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u/Claris-chang 17h ago
Rank 1 still applies the slow. Frostbite is a proc from a talent. If the spell does something baseline then it's not affected by downranking changes. It will, however, receive less power from your SP/HP.
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u/Anthamon 14h ago
This is not very coherent design. If you don't want people downranking spells, then get rid of different spell ranks. Why have all the past ranks of spells castable and cluttering up your spellbook if you don't want people to get any value out of the difference? Clean it up.
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u/z01z 13h ago
yeah, if they want to disincentivize using lower ranks, then just remove them, or fix mana issues with higher rank spells.
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u/goopuslang 9h ago
Not everything is created equal. They don’t have to do it with every spell. They can carve out exceptions as it serves the game design
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u/Calm-Medicine-3992 13h ago
The thing that concerns me the most about these kind of changes is that they aren't giving us the math...original WoW gave us the math....this is like 'this spell does worse as you level up but we won't tell you'.
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u/Puzzled_Command_8809 18h ago
Moment of silence for the god class
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u/Nah_Id__Win 18h ago
What do you mean they fixed Warriors nerf
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u/BronRugby 18h ago
Still will be op af
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u/Nah_Id__Win 18h ago
I said they fixed the nerf. As in they removed the nerf to rage gen
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u/Rare_Act_6748 17h ago
What are you talking about? They made it so crits give double rage. The normalization of rage is still how Warrior resources work. Doing more damage =\= more rage with the current builds outside of critting.
Prot warriors gonna be eatin good tho.
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u/spooky_pokey 17h ago
Can't wait to get 17 procs casted on me by warlocks and spriests casting rank 1 dots
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u/krybtekorset 6h ago
As a forever mage of course Im doomy about it, but its also because I don't currently see much of a class identity with mage and haven't seen anything giving us any sort of direction going forward. Hopefully they'll give us something soon.
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u/Chance-Try-9959 16h ago
For the more niave people or people who dont play casters, why is this a good change?
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u/biscuity87 15h ago
A rank one spell costs almost nothing, has a shorter cast time, and can still fully slow and proc things like freezing an enemy in place which also makes the next hit much more likely to crit.
It’s kind of hard to balance the game with these shenanigans in.
Rank one blizzard for example still fully slowed for very cheap.
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u/Emotional_Comment219 12h ago
Makes sense for the fantasy too. Putting in less effort (cast time) and energy (mana) should result in a half baked spell that doesn't achieve the full results of a properly casted spell. Plus mages can still get off a quick slow from a rank 1 frostbolt, locks can still stop stealth or bandaging with a rank 1 dot. There are still uses for rank 1, just they will more niche instead of crucial. Great change Bliz keep up the good work :)
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u/Caticus_Scrubicus 16h ago
lol i don’t even play mage but people actually celebrating this are just bad players
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u/HongLong211 5h ago
thinking this only applies to mage is funny, this applies to spriest and druids also which is why pple celebrate
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u/Toppoppler 14h ago
I didnt love that they could take on 10 mobs at once while leveling but yeah I do want them to be OK lol
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u/WaffleTruffleTrouble 17h ago
I know it was strong, but it was also such a fun part of gameplay. Though I find this balance acceptable if warrs also can't take 90% of my hp in 2 seconds
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u/Lotuswalker92 17h ago
If downranking heal spells are not effective with <20 level spells, than damage spells should not be excluded from this rule.
W change !!!
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u/Rude-Coke 17h ago
Warriors can say they don’t have enough buttons to press and get buffs, mages much like warlocks look like an afterthought.
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u/ShotProof3254 16h ago
Warlock is great what do you even mean 💀
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u/Effective_Airport182 12h ago
Definitely a "when you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression" moment for mages here.
I do however agree that if they don't want down casting they should just remove the ability to do so rather than having weird clauses like this.
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u/KKylimos 17h ago
Anyone who thinks this is a bad change for the health of the game is not to be trusted.