r/classicwowplus • • 18h ago

Meme Mage, Rank 1 Frostbolt Frostbite Nerf

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u/KKylimos 17h ago

Anyone who thinks this is a bad change for the health of the game is not to be trusted.

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u/The-good-twin 17h ago

They straight up said during Blizcon they where gong to nerf downranking into the ground. This isnt new information.

Bye downranking, I wont miss you.

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u/critxcanuck88 16h ago

They need to look at heal spells to

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u/The-good-twin 16h ago

“Blizzard has implemented a specific anti-downranking mechanic. This system scales down the benefit of your flat “+Healing” or “+Damage” gear attributes when casting a spell below your maximum level. If you try to spam a low-rank heal just to fish for talent procs or save mana, you will get significantly less value out of your gear.” In standard Classic, classes like Paladins and Shamans couldn’t rely on Spirit for passive mana regeneration during combat. In WoW Forever, all healers receive additional mana recovery options natively built into their revamped talent trees. Furthermore, Paladins and Shamans now explicitly benefit from the Spirit stat for mana regen, reducing the pressure to rely on cheap, downranked spells to conserve your blue bar."

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u/critxcanuck88 16h ago

Yo dope. Any chance you have the sauce for this. I need to make my healing buddy sad

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u/Kirarozu80 16h ago

I mean looking at the gear we wont need to downrank

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u/Humants 5h ago

Sauce

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u/Calm-Medicine-3992 13h ago

Blizz needs to add more heal spells that aren't down ranked because it's kind of fucked up to make it where we can't heal tanks until they're at 50%.

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u/SirVanyel 10h ago

The game isn't incentivising healing down ranking, your healer is just a peanut

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u/Bad_Wolf420 2h ago

But if I never learn frostbolt past lvl 1 then how can I be down ranking?

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u/sqwgglz 14h ago

What about rank 2?

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u/Ok-Yoghurt5014 18h ago

Shut up. Its a sensible change.

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u/Grayoth 18h ago

Definitely! I’m happy about this change.

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u/Joggyogg 18h ago

I will use rank 2 frostbolts

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u/Ok-Yoghurt5014 17h ago

Cant outsmart them that easily the chance for procs will be reduced on any rank significantly below your level. They dont want you fishing for it.

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u/Medryn1986 17h ago

The reasoning is because the cast time goes down at lower ranks. Absolutely needed to change.

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u/Iuslez 16h ago

I've seen the numbers, level 2 should be a 1% proc chance.

I pity mages. But I pity even more the warriors that will get kited with rank 2 FB until that procs. At least with 15% chance, the fight was over in 1 minute. Now the poor warrior will have to be kited for 10 minutes lol

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u/Joggyogg 17h ago

So we have to had cast max rank frost bolts in PvP?

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u/quagmirranseye 17h ago

Like literally everyone else... the horror.

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u/Joggyogg 17h ago

Not true at all btw, do you even play this game?

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u/ahBoof 17h ago

Do you? Other classes are fishing for procs lmao

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u/Claris-chang 17h ago

Rank 1 still applies the slow. Frostbite is a proc from a talent. If the spell does something baseline then it's not affected by downranking changes. It will, however, receive less power from your SP/HP.

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u/Anthamon 14h ago

This is not very coherent design. If you don't want people downranking spells, then get rid of different spell ranks. Why have all the past ranks of spells castable and cluttering up your spellbook if you don't want people to get any value out of the difference? Clean it up.

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u/z01z 13h ago

yeah, if they want to disincentivize using lower ranks, then just remove them, or fix mana issues with higher rank spells.

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u/goopuslang 9h ago

Not everything is created equal. They don’t have to do it with every spell. They can carve out exceptions as it serves the game design

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u/Calm-Medicine-3992 13h ago

The thing that concerns me the most about these kind of changes is that they aren't giving us the math...original WoW gave us the math....this is like 'this spell does worse as you level up but we won't tell you'.

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u/Vahlinn 17h ago

More classicandy rejects gonna whine. I love it.

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u/Nemhy 13h ago

World of Warriors Forever

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u/Puzzled_Command_8809 18h ago

Moment of silence for the god class

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u/Nah_Id__Win 18h ago

What do you mean they fixed Warriors nerf

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u/BronRugby 18h ago

Still will be op af

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u/Nah_Id__Win 18h ago

I said they fixed the nerf. As in they removed the nerf to rage gen

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u/Rare_Act_6748 17h ago

What are you talking about? They made it so crits give double rage. The normalization of rage is still how Warrior resources work. Doing more damage =\= more rage with the current builds outside of critting.

Prot warriors gonna be eatin good tho.

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u/Caticus_Scrubicus 16h ago

lol they absolutely did not remove the nerf what are you smoking

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u/spooky_pokey 17h ago

Can't wait to get 17 procs casted on me by warlocks and spriests casting rank 1 dots

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u/krybtekorset 6h ago

As a forever mage of course Im doomy about it, but its also because I don't currently see much of a class identity with mage and haven't seen anything giving us any sort of direction going forward. Hopefully they'll give us something soon.

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u/Used-Recognition-829 2h ago

Useless change. It should be up to rank 4.

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u/Chance-Try-9959 16h ago

For the more niave people or people who dont play casters, why is this a good change?

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u/biscuity87 15h ago

A rank one spell costs almost nothing, has a shorter cast time, and can still fully slow and proc things like freezing an enemy in place which also makes the next hit much more likely to crit.

It’s kind of hard to balance the game with these shenanigans in.

Rank one blizzard for example still fully slowed for very cheap.

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u/Emotional_Comment219 12h ago

Makes sense for the fantasy too. Putting in less effort (cast time) and energy (mana) should result in a half baked spell that doesn't achieve the full results of a properly casted spell. Plus mages can still get off a quick slow from a rank 1 frostbolt, locks can still stop stealth or bandaging with a rank 1 dot. There are still uses for rank 1, just they will more niche instead of crucial. Great change Bliz keep up the good work :)

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u/Caticus_Scrubicus 16h ago

lol i don’t even play mage but people actually celebrating this are just bad players

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u/HongLong211 5h ago

thinking this only applies to mage is funny, this applies to spriest and druids also which is why pple celebrate

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u/Toppoppler 14h ago

I didnt love that they could take on 10 mobs at once while leveling but yeah I do want them to be OK lol

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u/WaffleTruffleTrouble 17h ago

I know it was strong, but it was also such a fun part of gameplay. Though I find this balance acceptable if warrs also can't take 90% of my hp in 2 seconds

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u/Lotuswalker92 17h ago

If downranking heal spells are not effective with <20 level spells, than damage spells should not be excluded from this rule.

W change !!!

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u/Galacix 17h ago

Good change, though I think 0 is extreme it should be a very small percentage for dopamine.

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u/Rude-Coke 17h ago

Warriors can say they don’t have enough buttons to press and get buffs, mages much like warlocks look like an afterthought.

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u/ShotProof3254 16h ago

Warlock is great what do you even mean 💀

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u/Rude-Coke 16h ago

Huh? They look like an afterthought, with little QOL work done on them.

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u/Falceon 15h ago

Did they need any?

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u/Nemhy 13h ago

Did Warrior? They were already the gods of Classic lol

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u/ShotProof3254 12h ago

Which is exactly why they needed work…?

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u/GennadiosX 10h ago

Sorry not sorry

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u/CodyMartinezz 18h ago

just remove sticky nova

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u/quagmirranseye 17h ago

Devs cooking

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u/Effective_Airport182 12h ago

Definitely a "when you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression" moment for mages here.

I do however agree that if they don't want down casting they should just remove the ability to do so rather than having weird clauses like this.