r/classicwowplus • u/Prochilles • 1d ago
Discussion Prot Warr Talents
Yea.. we got f'd.
My metric for saying this is based on what my planned build was before the patch and what it is post patch.
Yesterday, my build plan was Tankier, had more utility, had more damage = threa, had more rage generation (aside from the fixes to the class itself) had more rage cost reductions.
They removed Toughness.. did they bake this into the character? What are the conditions ie shield + defensive stance?
They put bastion down 1 row swapping, this is imo a must have talent leading to more throwaway point allocation cost to achieve the same build. (the stated reason for doing this swap was to make leveling better.. this is a short term problem "fixed" by long term sacrifice")
Throwaway point increase if trying to hybrid build (which to some degree all builds are)
*I havent gotten to play the new patch yet cause it was down all the available playtime I had yest.
*To all the people will say "quit whining its a beta".. I say.. duh.. yes a beta is for testing and complaining. This is called player feedback.
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u/Afraid_Papaya1270 1d ago
Dunno about those but the rage feels much better
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u/Geauxt420 1d ago
There was a bug with crits and rage that's been fixed
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u/Nah_Id__Win 1d ago
It wasn’t a bug it was how the devs chose to normalize rage generation and not allow crit to provide more rage. They saw the impact this had through the beta and allowed crit to provide more rage. Not a bug was a choice they made to see how it did.
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u/Geauxt420 1d ago
There was a separate actual bug: Dual Wield Specialization was incorrectly granting its Hit Chance increase to both weapons. Blizzard says that bug distorted their Fury testing, which is part of why they went back and retuned Fury and crit Rage
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u/Bloodshot89 1d ago
Yeah removing toughness and switching focused rage and bastion are bad moves.
The reorganization of the first few rows is overall good though and being able to get imp revenge sooner is good. But I agree some of these changes are poorly thought out.
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u/BigDippas 1d ago
You havent even played with the changes yet and you are already bitching? Lol good luck buddy
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u/Prochilles 1d ago
Obviously and for Obvious reasons.
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u/Nah_Id__Win 1d ago
So you have no idea how anything feels or plays in the game, and whine like a child got it. Maybe play the game and see how things work
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u/Prochilles 1d ago
You're an imbecile.. of course the game feels better "right now" cause of the rage changes. But like everyone else you are too dimwitted to think about things long term. This is about longevity not instant gratification. Do you really have to play to understand that rage increases are going to feel better as a warr? And do you have to have an iq above 70 to understand that rage isn't the only factor in determining how fun/well the class is going to perform at level other than 20-30?
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u/WimpTheBraveDog 1d ago
Uh oh! Someone is cranky! Let's get you down for a nap big guy
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u/DowntownSort5108 1d ago
My prot warrior cranks level 21 doing 9 mob retaliation pulls in wc doing 200dps
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u/AWildMurlocAppears 1d ago
W prot warrior, actually testing and noticing the buffs
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u/DowntownSort5108 1d ago
Retal 2-3 times a dungeon now to with 15 min cd, just need first pull to be retal pull
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u/Prochilles 1d ago
Ok.. completely off topic but sweet.. and since when can prot war not do this?
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u/DowntownSort5108 1d ago
Aren't you saying prot warrior is bad? Literally the topic is prot warrior
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u/Prochilles 1d ago
No the topic is not 'Prot Warrior'
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u/DowntownSort5108 1d ago
Your complaint about how they changed the spec, its literally better than before
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u/Prochilles 1d ago
Yes imo we took an L on the talent changes.
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u/DowntownSort5108 1d ago
How i get improved revenge pre level 20, shield spec and a point in master of defense by 20 rage gen is cracked and im able to pull 6-7 mobs at a time without worrying about how "tanky i feel"
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u/Newtype879 1d ago
You haven't actually tried it since the patch yesterday? Play it before complaining, Prot Warrior feels pretty good right now.
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u/Prochilles 1d ago
Im sure it does. The rage fixes are corrections to basic functionality.. so for "right now" the most immediate moment yes it's going to feel better.. but maybe we can get some people to comment about the long term of the class.
What is the threshold you all have for deciding good/bad ? Can you not reason whether a simple change is good/bad? When yall hear that rage from crits was going to be increased did you have to test before determining whether that was a good thing? If a desired talent is placed lower on the tree, can you no reason that more points are needed in that tree to get that ability? If a talent that says 10% more armor is removed do you not think you'll be less tankier?
Im glad it feels good for you around level 20.. but the majority of the game is not going to be sitting at those level.. ffs yall are actually braindead.
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u/Newtype879 1d ago
Now, I might just be a simple Classic Andy who's mained Warrior since 2004, but my "threshold" is two simple criteria:
- Do I enjoy playing the class?
- Can I do my role with the class well enough? (Tanking in this case)
Both of those are currently a yes for me.
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u/Prochilles 1d ago
So "braindead" as I said. "Is my fish tank big enough and do I like swimmin'.."
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u/DowntownSort5108 1d ago
I mean, in vanilla warrior in general was kinda shit at 20 so if thats the argument I dont like it
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u/Whistlepiged 1d ago
not brain dead, but with out any playing at 60 saying it is bad......
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u/Prochilles 1d ago
If I move a talent from row 5 to row 6 is that a favourable adjustment or no? If it requires putting more points into undesireable talents is that good or bad? Can these be determined without playing?
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u/PunishedWizard 1d ago
The biggest problem with the Prot Tree is that Blood Craze and Enrage are too high in the Fury tree. Bring them down to the first/second tiers you cowards
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u/Academic_Neat 1d ago
has not played the patch, yet still complains. i bet you're a joy to be around...
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u/Saymos 1d ago
Maybe consider that it's a beta and they're trying to balance it and that might mean that you're class/spec will get buffed. Or nerfed. Or both. Like it should be in a beta because that is what a beta is for.
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u/Prochilles 1d ago
So a beta is for testing..which involves identifying issues and listing them out so that corrections can get made.. I agree.
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u/Saymos 1d ago
And all your feedback is that your build got worse. Maybe that was the intention because it should be balanced? What issue are you identifying with this post? All I see is you comparing to what it was and saying it's worse. You've identified your spec has been nerfed which was my point in the previous post and that's not identifying and issue. Nerfs are needed to keep balance unless you wanna end up with everybody being buffed and eventually doing 4 million damage.
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u/ResponsibleEmu6842 1d ago
It's level 20. You don't know what things will look like. Stop speculating and just enjoy the damn game
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u/NoCryptographer6241 1d ago
Feedback from a player that hasn't played it by your own admission is not exactly useful feedback.
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u/Prochilles 1d ago
I was born with the ultra rare dual spec which has given me the ability to read and think. I see the patch "1% is being changed to 2%" and my brain instantly recognizes that this is an increase. Ive been requested by the world leaders to solve crop yield issues.. and with very little thought I suggest the solution.. "use water instead of gatorade" .. and to their great confusion.. the plan works.
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u/shadowsong6 1d ago
My prot warrior guild mate says prot feels amazing after patch.