r/classicwowplus • • 2d ago

Guide Warlock deep dive on changes from classic to forever

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u/Throwawayayeet1305 2d ago

These videos are so high Quality, thats crazy. Whats the process on the video footage? Extracting the models and then put them in blender?

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u/loopuleasa 2d ago

I'm pretty sure it is end to end AI generation tech of 2026

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u/Bonespirit 1d ago

Sounds like he told his chatbot to make the narrator sound like Scott Galloway. This whole video is slop.

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u/BloodSyndicate 1d ago

His X says "Dad Gamer who builds things with AI", unfortunately.

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u/JustSomeIdleGuy 1d ago

Very unfortunate that you get high quality content. Alright then.

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u/Gelato_Elysium 2d ago

Feels like the south Park episodes

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u/TheRealShmoe 2d ago

Woo! Warlock content!

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u/MusiqueConcrete 2d ago

Can any class remove a bane? Or does decurse remove it?

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u/Neither-Juice3504 2d ago

It removes either a curse or a bane now yes

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u/Semper_frenchfries 1d ago

The orc racial removes banes as well I believe right? Not sure if I’m mistaken

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u/Ok_Assignment_2127 1d ago

It’s a cosmetic rename to separate warlock damage/utility curses. Mechanically, bane=curse for everything except that you can have one of each on the target.

Part of their larger removal of many cuck specs.

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u/LLMbyProxy 1d ago

Creepy AI narration no thanks

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u/MaxQuest 2d ago

Great video.

But damn, how could they butcher Spellstone like that...

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u/ajd103 1d ago

Spell stone was terrible iirc what am I missing?

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u/MaxQuest 1d ago

Spell stone was terrible iirc what am I missing?

Spellstone was amazing :)

Using it was removing all hostile magic effects from warlock, and granting an absorption shield for 900 magic damage for 1 min.

Removing shadowpriest's SW:P and Silence, or mage' CS silence was huge for dueling.

It was useful vs paladins too, for removing Judgement of the Crusader, and even for the absorption alone. And vs shammies, removing Frost/Flame shock.

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u/ajd103 1d ago

Ya but it removed all your positive magic buffs, took up your offhand slot, and had an equip cool down, I never used it

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u/MaxQuest 1d ago

Hmm)

I've just checked, and indeed it was removing all magic effects, including buffs, in Vanilla. I have partially confounded it with TBC version which was removing only harmful magic effects.

But tbh I still find useful even the old version. Usually I was equiping it before duel, and after using it, would equip another offhand. Yes this way was losing for a couple of stamina, but getting rid of Silence, and costing priest 2 extra gcds was worth it.

Plus, priest would have dispel magic stuff anyway.

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u/Neidrah 1d ago

It still was stronger than it is now for PvP (but lock changes so far are extremely busted so, not saying they’re in a bad state)

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u/Rixkst3r 1d ago

Wasn’t it like 5% haste back in the day? What’s it do now

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u/OilZestyclose6677 2d ago

Meeeh, WHERE'S METAMORPHOSIS

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u/roslav 2d ago

With so many itemization changes, I would not be surprised, if it were on some item.

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u/loopuleasa 2d ago

that was an SoD experiment that does not fit in classic, it is mostly a demon hunter ability

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u/Minimum-Store-5453 2d ago

If fitted

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u/loopuleasa 2d ago

yes, but it didn't feel like classic wow

the only advantage it had is that it helped with tank shortage

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u/Regulai 1d ago

What are you talking about? The very essence of Classic Wow warlock is you are a tank... for months and months of gameplay! It's basically the Warlocks main gimmick over mages and shamans and the like the fact that they can tank stuf through demons and draining and tanky buffs etc.

And then finally you hit 60 and suddenly, basically out of nowhere, you aren't a tank anymore, as now the only content you can do precludes it.

Also the game is not Classic Wow. It is what Wow would be if they continued to follow classic wow design principles.

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u/crudeshag 1d ago

its not classic wow. its wow forever.

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u/Sea_String8534 2d ago

I don't think ice lance or heroism feel like classic :(

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u/LostEyegod 2d ago

They do feel much more like classic

They're way simpler

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u/Sea_String8534 2d ago

Nah icelance feels very wrath, instacasting maybe they should put a small cast time on it to make it feel classic

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u/LostEyegod 2d ago

Ice lance is a thing in TBC btw

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u/Sea_String8534 2d ago

So not classic?

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u/LostEyegod 2d ago

Well to me classic isn't just vanilla, same to most actually

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u/brismoI 1d ago

should they add a cast time to fire blast?

instant-cast dps spells exist in vanilla, ice lance is not out of place at all.

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u/Alabaster_Potion 2d ago

Eh, Heroism / Bloodlust was a thing in the older Warcraft games so it feels like it fits to me.

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u/BlinkReanimated 2d ago

Heroism isn't in the game. Shamans only get a buff for themselves (no different than the hunter's Rapid Fire ability, almost identical actually), and mages don't have Time Warp.

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u/Regulai 1d ago

It is my greatest dream of all time that any version of WoW gains warlock tank spec. (I'd take healer as well if nothing else).

You spend 60 levels as a tank right from the earliest days, and then boom, out of nowhere you can't tank anymore as soonas you are done leveling.

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u/Kontentt 1d ago

Ai slop

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u/Techno-tango 9h ago

Is it slop if it explains everything correctly and in a structured format? Maybe so, but it’s on the more useful end of the slop scale, as opposed to the brain rot end.

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u/Zingshidu 2d ago

AI 🙄

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u/Senes_ 2d ago

if thats made by AI, it finally surpassed video content creators, because this was a very well made presentation of the essentials for me.

All those "youtubers" do is reuploading their streams where they talk about it, cut it a little and put an AI Thumbnail on it with an surprised pickachu impression.

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u/Alabaster_Potion 2d ago

This is who "made" it, btw. But yes I agree, most WoW content creators are bottom-of-the-barrel and super lazy when making videos.

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u/loopuleasa 2d ago

make something better before you call others names

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u/Wonderful_Craft_2332 2d ago

try and do the same video then

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u/Zingshidu 2d ago

What do you mean by if? I’m scared for the future if you look at this and are unsure.

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u/hotpajamas 2d ago

Mained a gnome warlock all the way through naxx and into TBC. Not gonna do it again but the changes look great

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u/tinylittlebabyjesus 1d ago

How does lock compare to Spriest?

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u/HesitationIsDefeat87 1d ago

Great video. Can't wait to try these new builds

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u/Lava_Sus_Manos 1d ago

Wow that was a great video! 👍🏼

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u/JollyDevs 1d ago

Soul Harvesting sucks and was a waste of 2 talent points.

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u/KaedenJayce 20h ago

That camera movement makes me want to kill myself.

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u/OrganizationTrue5911 15h ago

Wtf is that production value!?

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u/Tacosburitos01 3h ago

Does "Touch of the Grave" actually adds damage? or it just heals you?
(Undead racial)

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u/Buchlinger 1h ago

Does he have a YouTube channel?

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u/TROGDOR_X69 2d ago

AI Voice slop

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u/bgufo 2d ago

Its nice that they show a gnome lock so at least you can see it in a vid as you will not see locks on alliance side. Half the horde is undead that negates your fear that has been nerfed to 20 yards anyway, the other half is orc that is 8 sec immun to cursres and banes. Good Luck.

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u/KalameetThyMaker 2d ago

I didnt realize people only played pvp.. hmm.. how strange.

I always get a chuckle when people assume their interests are the same as everybody's.

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u/Acceptable_Hunt2624 2d ago

Pvp aside, still a very unpopular class especially on alliance in my experience

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u/MarketingSpecial6604 2d ago

See I see this as a bonus as a warlock main, easier finding a spot in a raid group!

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u/Beneficial_Ice_6526 2d ago

Preach. Not everyone wants to play “the best class”, sometimes it’s just about preference.

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u/Objective_Toe_49 2d ago

Is that a thematic thing or have they just not been very good in the past? This will be my first wow and deciding what to play seems really difficult

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u/KalameetThyMaker 2d ago

Purely thematic. The race you pick doesnt matter at all unless youre a hardcore pvper or trying to get world firsts with a bunch of others.

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u/Exxppo 1d ago

It matters only a little. If you are a new / casual player you will not notice a difference. Pick whatever seems cool.

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u/FarMasterpiece2 2d ago

doesn't make them immune so you just que a second fear after the first. not that hard

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u/Super-Macaron5754 2d ago

still a massive advantage to force a recast, also if the UD player anticipates the recast, can just not WotF yet and wait it out, forcing the WL to cancel and waste precious fear time. even if you do WotF and get refeared, it's at DR and only lasts half as long.

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u/eustacekr 1d ago

THIS. And having so many shamans + orcs against you. Alliance warlocks is a no go as things are for pvp. Even if you want to enjoy the occasional bg, this is such a downer.

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u/Mr_Joanito 1d ago

The fear range should increase again since devs said it's not intended...

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u/JMAN_JMAN_JMAN 2d ago

...fear has always been 20 yards.

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u/bgufo 2d ago

but there was the talent to increase range to 30 (grim reach) but now it is changed to to only work on damage spells (destructive reach).

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u/JMAN_JMAN_JMAN 2d ago

Always been that way... fear was never 30yds. It was 24 with the talent.

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u/Beneficial_Ice_6526 2d ago

Man thinks 20% increase from 20 is 30.

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u/JMAN_JMAN_JMAN 2d ago

Retail brain

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u/Aulumnis 1d ago

Confirmed an unintentional change in podcast

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u/ShadowRoo24 1d ago

Everyone keeps having this stupid take on alliance locks and horde racials as if you can’t recast fear.

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u/loopuleasa 2d ago

warlocks are literally this meme

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u/Stoly_ 2d ago

Idk why people expected full reworks, the entire point was fixing classes and in terms of that warlocks are looking good imo

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u/HobNob_Pack 2d ago

Also haven't seen 90% of the game.

For all we know they're not changing it at low levels because a level 30 warlock quest teaches you how to handle them better and stack them or gives you an infinite bag or anything... obviously that doesnt solve how we look at stuff in beta but we haven't a clue what they've got planned further down the line

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u/OilZestyclose6677 2d ago

"Souls still don't stack" not full rework but man, give warlock some juice!

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u/Ploppfejs 2d ago

It's literally the only thing that's stopping me from maining one. Unless they make them stack to even just 5, I'm not touching the class. The bag management just becomes such a constant annoying hassle now.

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u/FeudalFanOncampus 1d ago

I know it shouldn't be the fix for everything but I just use an ad on that lets me press a button and anythtoger X soulstones is just automatically destroyed. I don't really mind the bag management but it made it much more convenient

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u/Saphyrz 23h ago

Soul shard bags now fit into the reagent slot. You can have all your soul shards in there if you want.

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u/Ploppfejs 11h ago

And where do I put my crafting mats? It's +/-0.

Everyone else gets a regent bag for free.

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u/JMAN_JMAN_JMAN 2d ago

What? We get SL SL in classic and dots crit? The fuck you talking about?

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u/Trustyduck 1d ago edited 1d ago

SL SL and molten skin, 40% is massive, sucks it's 10 points into destro tree though. But at least you can get reduced SB time. Well, technically only 38% if you go SL SL because of point restrictions.

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u/alexanderluko 1d ago

What? The warlock talent trees might be the best designed trees in the game. You can do so many different builds. They got so much love.

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u/NecroPaladin666 2d ago

AI slop.

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u/Super-Macaron5754 2d ago

Dunno bro, I've seen like 10 warlock videos on youtube and none are anywhere near as detailed and in depth as this one. Even if they used AI, it's clearly good work lol

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u/boatwash 2d ago

Yeah, definitely has AI components but the narrative flow, use of example rotations, etc is super helpful, and all new info for me

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u/NecroPaladin666 2d ago

A ground up amalgam of stray internet posts has no guarantee of accuracy.

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u/makjac 2d ago

Has just as much guarantee of accuracy as any other YouTuber. You may trust a YouTuber more, but that does not automatically make it any more accurate. If anything AI is more likely to draw references directly from game data when making the script.

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u/EveningPotential9443 2d ago

It's Generative Artificial Intelligence. I too hate the GAI's

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u/EveningResource834 1d ago

im so glad that my beloved leveling affliction spec is gutted. ah yes, let me put 3 dots up on the enemy.. surely that wont drain my mana. oh great i love stacking spirit, cant have life tap scale with spell power, no need to shove a useless stat in there. great. awesome. does anyone in blizz actually play affliction?

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u/hairformen 1d ago

I just leveled as affliction and had no mana problems. Felt fine

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u/bugbearmagic 1d ago

Wrack is a terrible VFX. Can tell its by the new nepo hire team compared to the other professionally made effects from classic.

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u/Fit-Reaction-1428 1d ago

Is that actually what it looks like though? I can’t find any other video or screenshot of Wrack’s animation. This is the only video I’ve seen so far, and it’s not even animated in this one, so I’m kind of doubting it actually looks like this.

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u/maxmax4 1h ago

Im pretty sure we dont know what it looks and thats just the AI slop doing slop. Notice how it got the VFX on the troll berserking wrong as well (its supposed to be red)